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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2347352" data-attributes="member: 5777">I'd just do it like this:Try to kip up as a free action, make the roll.If it succeeds he gets up as a free action.If it fails the character has the option to use a move action to stand 'anyway'.If he does not have a move action to use then he is stuck on the ground.And thats it, I think it takes care of all of these situations, including some crazy situation where an opponent takes away the characters ability to kip up without him knowing about it.Edit: Just found a copy of the book, I think it would actualy go like this:Declare wanting to use tumble to stand up as a free action, make check. If successful then stand up as a free action, if not then nothing happens.'Free Stand: With a DC 35 Tumble check result, you can stand up from prone as a free action (instead of a move action). This use of the skill provokes an aoo as normal.'given this I dont believe that there is the need to have a move action free. It is a skill check to see if you can then stand up as a free action, not attempting to stand up and then trying to do it as a free action. I dont see any reason to force the character to use a move action to stand up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2347352, member: 5777"] I'd just do it like this: Try to kip up as a free action, make the roll. If it succeeds he gets up as a free action. If it fails the character has the option to use a move action to stand 'anyway'. If he does not have a move action to use then he is stuck on the ground. And thats it, I think it takes care of all of these situations, including some crazy situation where an opponent takes away the characters ability to kip up without him knowing about it. Edit: Just found a copy of the book, I think it would actualy go like this: Declare wanting to use tumble to stand up as a free action, make check. If successful then stand up as a free action, if not then nothing happens. 'Free Stand: With a DC 35 Tumble check result, you can stand up from prone as a free action (instead of a move action). This use of the skill provokes an aoo as normal.' given this I dont believe that there is the need to have a move action free. It is a skill check to see if you can then stand up as a free action, not attempting to stand up and then trying to do it as a free action. I dont see any reason to force the character to use a move action to stand up. [/QUOTE]

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