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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 2348120" data-attributes="member: 16814">Thanks for all the replies.Here is the root of my question:&nbsp; the player in question wishes to use the free-stand (thanks for the terminology correction!) as part of a 'undefeatable' trip combo.&nbsp; The character has 4 attacks a round with two weapon fighting and proceeds to dance, use maximum expertise, and fight defensively for a whopping big AC (around 40 IIRC).&nbsp; His attack bonus, of course, goes into the toilet, but is still high enough hit a touch AC more often that not.&nbsp; So the player attempts to trip, his AC saves him from the AoO, and he gets his attempt.&nbsp; Even if he fails and is counter tripped, he just stands for free using the free stand rules.&nbsp; While he doesn't accomplish much in the way of damage with this tactic, my big bad fighter types seem to spend an awful lot of time on the ground where thier tactical choices are few and most incur an AoO for standing.I have no problem with the tactic, but the free stand seems to have removed all of the drawbacks from it.&nbsp; Firelance:&nbsp; Im away from my book, but I do believe that failing a free stand means that it takes a move action to stand as normal, and that it is listed as such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 2348120, member: 16814"] Thanks for all the replies. Here is the root of my question: the player in question wishes to use the free-stand (thanks for the terminology correction!) as part of a 'undefeatable' trip combo. The character has 4 attacks a round with two weapon fighting and proceeds to dance, use maximum expertise, and fight defensively for a whopping big AC (around 40 IIRC). His attack bonus, of course, goes into the toilet, but is still high enough hit a touch AC more often that not. So the player attempts to trip, his AC saves him from the AoO, and he gets his attempt. Even if he fails and is counter tripped, he just stands for free using the free stand rules. While he doesn't accomplish much in the way of damage with this tactic, my big bad fighter types seem to spend an awful lot of time on the ground where thier tactical choices are few and most incur an AoO for standing. I have no problem with the tactic, but the free stand seems to have removed all of the drawbacks from it. Firelance: Im away from my book, but I do believe that failing a free stand means that it takes a move action to stand as normal, and that it is listed as such. [/QUOTE]

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