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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 505407" data-attributes="member: 96">+4 seems awfully low.&nbsp; I think a first-level kir-lanan fighter would absolutely dominate over a 5th level human fighter.&nbsp; Same BAB, better skills, better physical stats, natural armor, Use Magic Device, spell-like abilities, huge speed/maneuverability advantage and a feat to make it better...slightly lower hp is all they'd have.Using Soldarin's...2.4 (4 HD Monstrous Humanoid)&nbsp;.5 (Flight)&nbsp;.6 (+3 natural AC)&nbsp;.2 (extra attacks - primary is 2 claws)&nbsp;.5 (spell-like abilities - rebuke, RoE, neg energy touch)&nbsp;.6 (+4 Str, +2 Dex)\&nbsp;.2 (racial +4 Hide bonus)-----5.0-.1 (-2 Wis)Total - 4.9I didn't include the 'healed by negative energy/harmed by positive energy' because they pretty much cancel out - especially if it's common knowledge.&nbsp; It might be harder to get healed in a good-aligned party, but if you're fighting evil clerics you don't have to worry about their spontaneous inflict spells.I think Soldarin's calculator undervalues some things - like flight, where there's no modifier for the maneuverability or the speed, so I'd be inclined to adjust it even upwards from the result I got - probably to a +6, because with flight of 90' (good), they effectively have a permanent nondispellable fly spell on them, or inherent wings of flying if you prefer - and those are worth most of the equipment allowance of a 7th or 8th level character.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 505407, member: 96"] +4 seems awfully low. I think a first-level kir-lanan fighter would absolutely dominate over a 5th level human fighter. Same BAB, better skills, better physical stats, natural armor, Use Magic Device, spell-like abilities, [b]huge[/b] speed/maneuverability advantage and a feat to make it better...slightly lower hp is all they'd have. Using Soldarin's... 2.4 (4 HD Monstrous Humanoid) .5 (Flight) .6 (+3 natural AC) .2 (extra attacks - primary is 2 claws) .5 (spell-like abilities - rebuke, RoE, neg energy touch) .6 (+4 Str, +2 Dex)\ .2 (racial +4 Hide bonus) ----- 5.0 -.1 (-2 Wis) Total - 4.9 I didn't include the 'healed by negative energy/harmed by positive energy' because they pretty much cancel out - especially if it's common knowledge. It might be harder to get healed in a good-aligned party, but if you're fighting evil clerics you don't have to worry about their spontaneous [i]inflict[/i] spells. I think Soldarin's calculator undervalues some things - like flight, where there's no modifier for the maneuverability or the speed, so I'd be inclined to adjust it even upwards from the result I got - probably to a +6, because with flight of 90' (good), they effectively have a permanent nondispellable [i]fly[/i] spell on them, or inherent [i]wings of flying[/i] if you prefer - and those are worth most of the equipment allowance of a 7th or 8th level character. J [/QUOTE]

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