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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 507759" data-attributes="member: 96"><p>The kir-lanan racial armor is the equivalent of studded leather. The PHB says 'flying mounts can't fly in medium or heavy barding' - if we assume that is the case for the kir-lanan, then he'd want to buy a mithril breastplate.</p><p></p><p>Since kreynolds thinks the full plate will rob the kir-lanan of its dex advantage, I guess we can assume that the human fighter has Dex 12, and the kir-lanan would therefore have Dex 14 - giving it +10 AC total to the full plated human's +9, plus better movement and a lower armor check penalty.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm. +2 damage on one weapon, vs +2 damage on all weapons. I don't think the human fighter gets the advanatge just because he gets Specialization earlier.</p><p></p><p>You're right on the feats thing, I neglected to figure character-level feats. Still, I don't think 6 feats is too high a price to pay for everything you get.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am of the firm belief that the Winged Mask was the result of crack-smoking sessions at the WOTC labs, and fully expect it to be erratta'ed - I mean, compare it to the winged boots: 12 times the duration for an extra 1000 gp. But until that point you're right...although we should also remember that the kir-lanan now has 2 magic item slots open that the human fighter does not (amulet and cloak or mask, depending on how you buy your flight).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only if they're focused on getting it as natural armor. They could spend the same amount as the fighter spent and get a ring of protection, like I noted. (And if the fighter got a ring of protection, they could get a different AC enhancer as well.) Only if the fighter bought every type of AC booster would he be able to catch up.</p><p></p><p>Of course, this is also assuming that the kir-lanan and the fighter make the exact same choices all down the line. The kir-lanan could very easily put a lower die roll into his strength score to maximize his Dex, catching him up on the AC scale. He's got access to feats the fighter doesn't, like flyby attack, improved flight, wingover, and snatch (hey! improved grab!). You might not get the automatic damage in most cases, but size doesn't restrict the fact that you can grapple without an AoO - or the fact that you can fling or drop your opponent.</p><p></p><p>Maybe we should actually create example characters to compare? That might show up the differences far better than just a conversation. Not-Sean, would that help you?</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 507759, member: 96"] The kir-lanan racial armor is the equivalent of studded leather. The PHB says 'flying mounts can't fly in medium or heavy barding' - if we assume that is the case for the kir-lanan, then he'd want to buy a mithril breastplate. Since kreynolds thinks the full plate will rob the kir-lanan of its dex advantage, I guess we can assume that the human fighter has Dex 12, and the kir-lanan would therefore have Dex 14 - giving it +10 AC total to the full plated human's +9, plus better movement and a lower armor check penalty. Hmm. +2 damage on one weapon, vs +2 damage on all weapons. I don't think the human fighter gets the advanatge just because he gets Specialization earlier. You're right on the feats thing, I neglected to figure character-level feats. Still, I don't think 6 feats is too high a price to pay for everything you get. I am of the firm belief that the Winged Mask was the result of crack-smoking sessions at the WOTC labs, and fully expect it to be erratta'ed - I mean, compare it to the winged boots: 12 times the duration for an extra 1000 gp. But until that point you're right...although we should also remember that the kir-lanan now has 2 magic item slots open that the human fighter does not (amulet and cloak or mask, depending on how you buy your flight). Only if they're focused on getting it as natural armor. They could spend the same amount as the fighter spent and get a ring of protection, like I noted. (And if the fighter got a ring of protection, they could get a different AC enhancer as well.) Only if the fighter bought every type of AC booster would he be able to catch up. Of course, this is also assuming that the kir-lanan and the fighter make the exact same choices all down the line. The kir-lanan could very easily put a lower die roll into his strength score to maximize his Dex, catching him up on the AC scale. He's got access to feats the fighter doesn't, like flyby attack, improved flight, wingover, and snatch (hey! improved grab!). You might not get the automatic damage in most cases, but size doesn't restrict the fact that you can grapple without an AoO - or the fact that you can fling or drop your opponent. Maybe we should actually create example characters to compare? That might show up the differences far better than just a conversation. Not-Sean, would that help you? J [/QUOTE]
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