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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 510954" data-attributes="member: 96">I think you need to read more carefully.  I was assuming a Dex 12 human in full plate vs. a Dex 14 kir-lanan in a mithril breastplate.  Human = +8 armor, +1 dex, total +9.  Kir-lanan = +5 armor, +3 natural, +2 dex, total +10.If you're concerned about the equipment allowances being equal, then look at my example statblocks, which have equal equipment costs to those in the DMG's example NPCs.  The kir-lanan still winds up with an AC better than the human fighter.So in that regard the characters do not balance out.Gee, that's weird, because the numbers I'm seeing are equal or better than the equivalent level fighter, even without taking the spell-like abilities into account.  Those spell-like abilities must really suck if they are able to bring the kir-lanan's power down.I think you are very confused as to what I am saying.  At no point have I believed that the fighter should emerge unscathed in a fight between the two, and I'm not sure where you got that impression.  I also think that ECL is not meant to handle pitting characters against each other*, which is the mistaken impression that you seem to have.  I am comparing two players, one playing a human fighter, the other playing a kir-lanan fighter.If you were playing an 8th level human fighter, and someone joined the campaign and had better combat abilities, the ability to fly, and spell-like abilities, wouldn't you feel a little overshadowed?  I would.  I'd be intensely annoyed at the DM for allowing it to happen, too.What advantage does the fighter have to compare with all the stuff the kir-lanan gets?  Should he merely console himself with the thought of his whopping 4 extra hitpoints?  Do improved critical, cleave, point-blank shot, and a first-level feat of your choice make up for flight, natural armor, spell-like abilities, better stats, better skills, better saves...? I don't think so.  Do you?At ECL 4, the kir-lanan is going to hit more often. He's going to do more damage when he hits. He's going to be hit less often.  In short, he's going to beat the fighter of equivalent level in his area of specialty - which is to say beating on the other guy - and we haven't even started on his other special abilities.J* - even if it were, your tactics wouldn't help the human any.  The kir-lanan can just as easily use a reach weapon - or even a ranged weapon - negating the human's advantage.</blockquote>

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