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<blockquote data-quote="kensanata" data-source="post: 3205865" data-attributes="member: 47845">It would be good to see an example of how this works out as a character progresses (since a GM will need to know a bit about it to make believable NPCs). For example, I need an NPC that knows how to Craft Shrine Realm. This requires a chain of four feats and seven tails, eg. a level 4 Kitsune with prestige 22 (2 +1 at level 4 +4 more tails due to prestige). Based on the NPCs I see in chapter 6, I'd say such a high prestige would be more appropriate for a level 15 character. But then again with a high CHA score, the Kitsune would already start with a Prestige of 14. Let me try and make a table with estimated prestige scores per number of tricks. Assuming she gets a +1 for all her tricks (victim looses half or more of the challenges), on average, I would expect the following progression:1&nbsp; &nbsp; 14.55&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 20.872&nbsp; &nbsp; 15.11&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.593&nbsp; &nbsp; 15.69&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 22.334&nbsp; &nbsp; 16.28&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.095&nbsp; &nbsp; 16.89&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.866&nbsp; &nbsp; 17.51&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 24.667&nbsp; &nbsp; 18.15&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 25.488&nbsp; &nbsp; 18.80&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 26.319&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.47&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 27.1710&nbsp; &nbsp; 20.16&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 28.05Thus, a prestige of 24 should be possible after 13 tricks -- on average. That doesn't sound too difficult, and quite plausible for a level 4 NPC. Since the NPCs in the book don't have prestige ratings over 30, I'm wondering whether I got the formula right...Instead of using a formula, I tried the same thing with a simulation. This is again based on an initial prestige score of 14 and based on 100 repetitions per number of tricks. I guess this shows that the formula I used above is faulty. The d20 system introduces some interesting effects due to rounding. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />1&nbsp; &nbsp; 14.57&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 18.76&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.982&nbsp; &nbsp; 14.96&nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.01&nbsp; &nbsp; 22&nbsp; &nbsp; 22.343&nbsp; &nbsp; 15.47&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.43&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 22.694&nbsp; &nbsp; 15.98&nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.82&nbsp; &nbsp; 24&nbsp; &nbsp; 22.775&nbsp; &nbsp; 16.46&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 20.43&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.076&nbsp; &nbsp; 16.65&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; 20.66&nbsp; &nbsp; 26&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.457&nbsp; &nbsp; 17.08&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 20.77&nbsp; &nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.868&nbsp; &nbsp; 17.81&nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.23&nbsp; &nbsp; 28&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.999&nbsp; &nbsp; 18.23&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.44&nbsp; &nbsp; 29&nbsp; &nbsp; 23.9410&nbsp; &nbsp; 18.34&nbsp; &nbsp; 20&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.50&nbsp; &nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; 24.49The table above is based on number of tricks with a +1 modifier – not based on level, obviously. If my level 4 Kitsune pulled off 21 tricks with a +1 modifier, a prestige score of 22 would be perfectly ok.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kensanata, post: 3205865, member: 47845"] It would be good to see an example of how this works out as a character progresses (since a GM will need to know a bit about it to make believable NPCs). For example, I need an NPC that knows how to Craft Shrine Realm. This requires a chain of four feats and seven tails, eg. a level 4 Kitsune with prestige 22 (2 +1 at level 4 +4 more tails due to prestige). Based on the NPCs I see in chapter 6, I'd say such a high prestige would be more appropriate for a level 15 character. But then again with a high CHA score, the Kitsune would already start with a Prestige of 14. Let me try and make a table with estimated prestige scores per number of tricks. Assuming she gets a +1 for all her tricks (victim looses half or more of the challenges), on average, I would expect the following progression: 1 14.55 11 20.87 2 15.11 12 21.59 3 15.69 13 22.33 4 16.28 14 23.09 5 16.89 15 23.86 6 17.51 16 24.66 7 18.15 17 25.48 8 18.80 18 26.31 9 19.47 19 27.17 10 20.16 20 28.05 Thus, a prestige of 24 should be possible after 13 tricks -- on average. That doesn't sound too difficult, and quite plausible for a level 4 NPC. Since the NPCs in the book don't have prestige ratings over 30, I'm wondering whether I got the formula right... Instead of using a formula, I tried the same thing with a simulation. This is again based on an initial prestige score of 14 and based on 100 repetitions per number of tricks. I guess this shows that the formula I used above is faulty. The d20 system introduces some interesting effects due to rounding. :) 1 14.57 11 18.76 21 21.98 2 14.96 12 19.01 22 22.34 3 15.47 13 19.43 23 22.69 4 15.98 14 19.82 24 22.77 5 16.46 15 20.43 25 23.07 6 16.65 16 20.66 26 23.45 7 17.08 17 20.77 27 23.86 8 17.81 18 21.23 28 23.99 9 18.23 19 21.44 29 23.94 10 18.34 20 21.50 30 24.49 The table above is based on number of tricks with a +1 modifier – not based on level, obviously. If my level 4 Kitsune pulled off 21 tricks with a +1 modifier, a prestige score of 22 would be perfectly ok. [/QUOTE]

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