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Knight of the Pale: Yea or Nay? (Book of Hallowed Might)
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<blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 714864" data-attributes="member: 984"><p>Looking for some opinions and suggestions here. </p><p></p><p>IACIPI, I play a 5th level Paladin and am beginning to think about prestige classes. This isn't your average paladin w.r.t. mentality; he isn't a church crusader, isn't out to defeat demons, isn't an overt holy warrior... he is instead more of a warrior who draws strength from his diety (Aathome) to accomplish what he sets out to do (his backstory (which I didn't do, I inherrited the character) had him becoming a police/guard type in hopes of defending the weaker elements of society). So a lot of the prestige classes I've seen don't exactly fit his needs, nor concept. </p><p></p><p>Enter Monte Cook's Knight of the Pale. I like its foundation, for it seems to fit the character well: nothing overt, just drawing strength from your conviction and your diety that all-around helps you. My concern when I look at the class, however, is that something is jsut not quite right with the 'suites' (as they call them). On the front they look nice, but something rings at the back of my mind going 'wait a minute, is that really good or no?'</p><p></p><p>Specific concerns would be... </p><p></p><p>1) the stat bonuses are an enhancement bonus. So no stat-increase items for you! or at least, if you have some of those, part of your suite is rendered irrelevant... </p><p></p><p>2) the limitations of the rigidity of the suites. While their flavour is good, the mechanics can leads to some problems. Say the character is now a 10th level KotP, and decides that Armour and protection is needed the next day. Well, the best one for that remains the _2nd_ of the 6 suites gained. It is about +3 AC overall all told; while one may argue the stoneskin in the 5th suite is good, it would only last a certain amount of time vs the whole day. At this point, is +3 AC the best I should have at that level of the prestige class? Is the 6th suite with +4 STR/Con, SR good, or am I being shortchanged since I can't take the Haste of the 4th Suite? If the 4th suite is balanced for that level of the prestige class, then when I get higher level, if I think 'yeah, holy word is neat but that'll only kill maybe 20 of the 400 orcs, whereas haste may allow me to cleave my way through even more... </p><p></p><p>I think I'm starting to ramble. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> And maybe not make as much sense as I'd like... lemme back up. Do you find the progression of 'suites' not only appropriate, put power-wise good and the abilities flexible enough? If you were to change it to something more flexible (which is obviously my concern), what would you suggest?</p><p></p><p>Of course, I'm also open to suggestions of other PrCs that would fit my character }<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Awaiting to see what ye all think,</p><p></p><p>Kannik</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kannik, post: 714864, member: 984"] Looking for some opinions and suggestions here. IACIPI, I play a 5th level Paladin and am beginning to think about prestige classes. This isn't your average paladin w.r.t. mentality; he isn't a church crusader, isn't out to defeat demons, isn't an overt holy warrior... he is instead more of a warrior who draws strength from his diety (Aathome) to accomplish what he sets out to do (his backstory (which I didn't do, I inherrited the character) had him becoming a police/guard type in hopes of defending the weaker elements of society). So a lot of the prestige classes I've seen don't exactly fit his needs, nor concept. Enter Monte Cook's Knight of the Pale. I like its foundation, for it seems to fit the character well: nothing overt, just drawing strength from your conviction and your diety that all-around helps you. My concern when I look at the class, however, is that something is jsut not quite right with the 'suites' (as they call them). On the front they look nice, but something rings at the back of my mind going 'wait a minute, is that really good or no?' Specific concerns would be... 1) the stat bonuses are an enhancement bonus. So no stat-increase items for you! or at least, if you have some of those, part of your suite is rendered irrelevant... 2) the limitations of the rigidity of the suites. While their flavour is good, the mechanics can leads to some problems. Say the character is now a 10th level KotP, and decides that Armour and protection is needed the next day. Well, the best one for that remains the _2nd_ of the 6 suites gained. It is about +3 AC overall all told; while one may argue the stoneskin in the 5th suite is good, it would only last a certain amount of time vs the whole day. At this point, is +3 AC the best I should have at that level of the prestige class? Is the 6th suite with +4 STR/Con, SR good, or am I being shortchanged since I can't take the Haste of the 4th Suite? If the 4th suite is balanced for that level of the prestige class, then when I get higher level, if I think 'yeah, holy word is neat but that'll only kill maybe 20 of the 400 orcs, whereas haste may allow me to cleave my way through even more... I think I'm starting to ramble. :P And maybe not make as much sense as I'd like... lemme back up. Do you find the progression of 'suites' not only appropriate, put power-wise good and the abilities flexible enough? If you were to change it to something more flexible (which is obviously my concern), what would you suggest? Of course, I'm also open to suggestions of other PrCs that would fit my character }:) Awaiting to see what ye all think, Kannik [/QUOTE]
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