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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 3456719" data-attributes="member: 30610">Okay, my conviction that the spiked chain knight is suboptimal aside, I feel obligated to point out that Hold The Line and Stand Still on a spiked chain fighter would take care of all this "barbarian moving forward" nonsense without requiring the character to be a knight at all.Barbarian tries to close with fighter, incurs AOO 10' off, gets hit by AOO and stops moving 10' away from fighter.Fighter's turn: Full attack.  5' step.  Now 15' away.Barbarian tries to close with fighter, incurs AOO 10' off, gets hit by AOO and stops moving 10' away from fighter.As with the knight in the example above, this tactic is best defeated by simply not mindlessly closing with the enemy. The fighter has no honor code, so everyone should agree that he can do all this.  How is this any more broken when a knight does it?  It might be "unfair" that the opponent doesn't get a chance to hit the knight, but it would be similarly unfair if the knight had an AC that an opponent couldn't hit, and that is perfectly legal.How much of this debate is simply people not articulating their preconceieved notions about archetypes, and expecting the rules to support those notions without seeing what the rules explicitly deny?</blockquote>