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<blockquote data-quote="Greybar" data-source="post: 888879" data-attributes="member: 4938">Yow.&nbsp; That's a shame.&nbsp; After high praise from others, Monster's Handbook was on the top of my to-buy list.&nbsp; If this Half-Titan template is an example, I think I'll just continue making them up on my own.1) Damage Reduction 10.&nbsp; The Titan from the SRD has 15/+1, so the PCs can bypass it pretty easily.&nbsp; A blanket DR10 is tough, and would be tough even on the high-CR Titan.&nbsp; If this was DR 10/+1 is would at least be close to the WOTC templates (fiendish, celestial, half-elemental)2) Spell casting abilities as 20th level sorcerer.&nbsp; Cribbed from the SRD for Titan with no readjustment?&nbsp; While the list of spells is not an overly offensive one, there is no reason to give a 7 HD creature a caster level of 20.&nbsp; This makes the spells undispelable to the intended PC opponents (level 7).My last objection is a more common one.&nbsp; This troll is well-known to be nasty when combined with templates (ex: the infamous &quot;unkillable&quot; half-fiend troll).&nbsp; This template is no exception due to the aforementioned absurd DR.&nbsp; If your group cannot regularly deal multiple strikes above 10 pts of damage, you are doomed by the regeneration 5.&nbsp; Combine this with the fact that the 20th level alter self is going to mean that the party certainly isn't going to think &quot;troll&quot; and you have an all-too easy TPK on your hands.&nbsp; The 20th level invisibility at will means that the smart (Int 12) Troll Lord is going to eat your party for breakfast.&nbsp; To add insult to injury, the Iron Will feat tries to cover the only weakness - note that the Will save should be +5 without the Iron Will since the Troll's wisdom went from 9 to 13 in applying the template.I believe one Troll Lord would easily TPK my players (7 PCs of 8th and 9th level).&nbsp; TPK would only be prevented by someone fleeing under a fly spell.&nbsp; A gang on these could provide a very nasty challenge for a high-level party.&nbsp; At least then the PCs would have access to save-or-die spells that could go after the Will save, and might have True Seeing around.So in conclusion, to fix this one:* Make the DR 10/+1&nbsp; (still nasty)* Make the spell effects at caster level comparable to hit dice.* Consider removing the at will invisibilityJohnp.s. Whew, sorry Kit, nothin' personal.&nbsp; And I'm only halfway through my coffee this morning.&nbsp; Now for that I owe the thread at least one templated monster of my own. [grin]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greybar, post: 888879, member: 4938"] Yow. That's a shame. After high praise from others, [u]Monster's Handbook[/u] was on the top of my to-buy list. If this Half-Titan template is an example, I think I'll just continue making them up on my own. 1) Damage Reduction 10. The Titan from the SRD has 15/+1, so the PCs can bypass it pretty easily. A blanket DR10 is tough, and would be tough even on the high-CR Titan. If this was DR 10/+1 is would at least be close to the WOTC templates (fiendish, celestial, half-elemental) 2) Spell casting abilities as 20th level sorcerer. Cribbed from the SRD for Titan with no readjustment? While the list of spells is not an overly offensive one, there is no reason to give a 7 HD creature a caster level of 20. This makes the spells undispelable to the intended PC opponents (level 7). My last objection is a more common one. This troll is well-known to be nasty when combined with templates (ex: the infamous "unkillable" half-fiend troll). This template is no exception due to the aforementioned absurd DR. If your group cannot regularly deal multiple strikes above 10 pts of damage, you are doomed by the regeneration 5. Combine this with the fact that the 20th level [i]alter self[/i] is going to mean that the party certainly isn't going to think "troll" and you have an all-too easy TPK on your hands. The 20th level [i]invisibility[/i] [b]at will[/b] means that the smart (Int 12) Troll Lord is going to eat your party for breakfast. To add insult to injury, the Iron Will feat tries to cover the only weakness - note that the Will save should be +5 without the Iron Will since the Troll's wisdom went from 9 to 13 in applying the template. I believe one Troll Lord would easily TPK my players (7 PCs of 8th and 9th level). TPK would only be prevented by someone fleeing under a [i]fly[/i] spell. A gang on these could provide a very nasty challenge for a high-level party. At least then the PCs would have access to save-or-die spells that could go after the Will save, and might have [i]True Seeing[/i] around. So in conclusion, to fix this one: * Make the DR 10/+1 (still nasty) * Make the spell effects at caster level comparable to hit dice. * Consider removing the at will [i]invisibility[/i] John p.s. Whew, sorry Kit, nothin' personal. And I'm only halfway through my coffee this morning. Now for that I owe the thread at least one templated monster of my own. [grin] [/QUOTE]

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