Knights of the Old Republic - Best video game ever...

trancejeremy

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Well, console/computer RPG anyway. Got it on Sat, spend every free moment glued to my Xbox playing it. 40 something hours later, I'm finished. (could have been longer, but I felt compelled for plot purposes to hurry towards the end)


Whew!

I haven't enjoyed a game this much since the original UFO: Enemy Unknown (aka X-com) came out.

Both are the only games I've ever dreamed about.
 

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I'm not sure I'd give it best videogame ever (System Shock 2, Theif 2, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2, Grand Theft Auto 3, are all pretty strong competition)... But it's very, very good. I honestly didn't expect this much, even given Bioware was making it.
 


Tsyr said:
I'm not sure I'd give it best videogame ever (System Shock 2, Theif 2, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2, Grand Theft Auto 3, are all pretty strong competition)...
There were some pretty good games made before 2000, too.
 

Re: Re: Knights of the Old Republic - Best video game ever...

Eternalknight said:
Care to tell us a little about it?

Well, it's hard to without giving away the plot.


But it takes the best parts of Star Wars: the conflict between Light & Dark, the sith, Purple lightsabers, and tells a very epic story. No ewoks, either.

It more or less uses the Neverwinter Nights engine, but fairly heavily modified so you can actually see the sky.

It's fairly non-linear. It's not GTA: Tatooine, but it's quite good. You make lots of decisions on how to do things, and it has a far better plot and characterization than GTA.

I've been playing video games since pong (had a dedicated console for it - also played squash) and computer games from around the same time (I had a TRS-80), and I stand by my statement - best game I've ever played.
 

Maraxle said:

There were some pretty good games made before 2000, too.

Sure. Wasteland, the earlier Ultimas, Daggerfall... All great games that I know and love. Doesn't mean they are currently in my top 10.
 

Tsyr said:


Sure. Wasteland, the earlier Ultimas, Daggerfall... All great games that I know and love. Doesn't mean they are currently in my top 10.

And you've still only mentioned one video game between your two posts and even that was ported to the PC.
 

I have probably finished Wasteland 30 times. Maybe more.

In fact, because I didn't have a 5 1/4" disk drive on my computer anymore, and so couldn't use the reset program to use the characters again, I wrote my own program to do so (this was about 5-6 years ago). Which really sucked (I needed to copy two files, but since I didn't know how to call a dos command from a C program, I had to copy the files byte by byte. Which was slow), but other people were forced to use and was apparently even included on some cd-rom compilations that contained Wasteland.

While Wasteland was great, it's no comparison. KOTOR beats it in just about every way.

Though now that I think about it, KOTOR is similar to Wasteland in a lot of ways. (No Snake Squeezin's though)

For instance, Wasteland often had multiple ways of doing things. KOTOR does too, but more fully developed. For instance, you have to break into this one embassy. There are at least 3 ways to get in. One is pretty squeamish. When you're inside an installation, if you're a scoundral or someone good at computers, you can hack into the security system, and often avoid a lot of combat.

And while WL was great, there was little characterization, because you basically played anonymous characters. You didn't talk much, and the only real personality shown was while you were in Finster's head.

While you do play an anonymous character in KOTOR, you have a personality, and can chose the light path or dark path. And your other party members all have pretty decent personalities.

And while Wasteland was fun, the plot wasn't that deep. Robots being spouted out of a mysterious factory and you must stop them. So you find it, and destroy it.

IMHO, the plot of KOTOR would have made a much better movie (or trilogy) than Episodes I-III. It has a plot twist that rivals that of the original trilogy. (Stunned me, anyway)

A lot probably depends on what sort of games you like, though.

While some people love the Elder Scrolls style games - Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, I've always found them to be a bit empty. Big places to explore, lots of freedom, but everyone is the same.
More like Elite than an RPG. And you're always alone.

KOTOR is more a console RPG in that it's very plot heavy. Though it does a good job of joining the two styles of rpgs - computer & console. In a lot of ways, it's like Planescape: Torment, but a lot better.

KOTOR also apparently has different endings, depending on your decisions. Probably not as many as say, Chronotrigger or Tactics Ogre, but your decisions really do matter.

So like I said, best RPG ever (IMHO). I've probably played most of the them on console & computer. Wizardry, Bard's Tale, Final Fantasy, Chrono series, Ogre Battle series, Shining series, Grandia, Suikoden (PSX), most of Working Design's stuff, most Bethesda games, most of Bioware's previous games.

Only a handful emotionally moved me. KOTOR is at the top of that list. (the list being: KOTOR, ChronoTrigger, Tactics Ogre, Star Ocean 2, and Deception)

[/rambling] (bear in mind, since I got KOTOR, I would play it instead of sleep. And now it's screwed up my sleep cycle. Gah. So I'm making even less sense than usual ) :p
 

trancejeremy said:
I have probably finished Wasteland 30 times. Maybe more.

In fact, because I didn't have a 5 1/4" disk drive on my computer anymore, and so couldn't use the reset program to use the characters again, I wrote my own program to do so (this was about 5-6 years ago). Which really sucked (I needed to copy two

> UBER SNIP <

Only a handful emotionally moved me. KOTOR is at the top of that list. (the list being: KOTOR, ChronoTrigger, Tactics Ogre, Star Ocean 2, and Deception)

[/rambling] (bear in mind, since I got KOTOR, I would play it instead of sleep. And now it's screwed up my sleep cycle. Gah. So I'm making even less sense than usual ) :p
Dude, you are seriously messed up. Time to get a life, mang. All this videogame stuff is just gonna rot yo....

Ack.

Okay.

Scratch that. This game is great. I could barely type any of that with a straight face. :) I haven't had this much fun playing a videogame RPG in years. FFX came really close but I stopped playing that game for a year before I finally went back to it. Maybe it's just the thrill of seeing the lightsaber combat. Or maybe it's the story.

Or maybe it's just darn fun. Buy this game. Now. It's worth owning an Xbox for.
 

Welverin said:


And you've still only mentioned one video game between your two posts and even that was ported to the PC.

I consider a PC computer game a "video game", thank you very much. It's a game, in a video format, therefor, it's a video game. I don't care if it came out for the apple, the macintosh, the nintendo, the atari, playstation, colecovision, gamecube, neo-geo, turbografix 16, or the x-box, it's all a video game to me.

Why, what is your definition of a "video game", and why is it such a big deal mine doesn't jive with yours?

For what it's worth, KotR is also a PC game, the PC version and X-Box version were supposed to be a near-simultanious release, but the PC version got delayed.
 

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