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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2766795" data-attributes="member: 1656">No.Let's say I have a dagger fighter, with a feat vaguely similar to Cleave - if he deals damage to an opponent with a dagger he is holding, he gets an extra ranged attack against a different opponent with that dagger.If he uses the attack action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to throw it.If he uses the full attack action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to throw it.If he uses the charge action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to throw it.If he uses an AoO action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to throw it.Now let's rewrite the Dagger Throw feat so it's more like Improved Trip.  if he deals damage to an opponent with a dagger he is holding, he gets an extra ranged attack against a different opponent with that dagger, as if he had not used the attack to stab the first opponent.If he uses the attack action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to make a ranged attack as if he had not used the action to make a melee attack.If he uses the full attack action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to make a ranged attack as if he had not used the action to make a melee attack.If he uses the charge action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to make a ranged attack as if he had not used the action to make a melee attack.  However, the attack that the charge action grants cannot be a ranged attack.  Thus, he cannot throw the dagger... because the attack he would use to do it is not allowed to be a ranged attack.If he uses an AoO action to make a melee attack on someone, his Dagger Throw triggers, and he gets to make a ranged attack as if he had not used the action to make a melee attack.  However, the attack that an AoO grants cannot be a ranged attack.  Thus, he cannot throw the dagger... because the attack he would use to do it is not allowed to be a ranged attack.The wording of the feat means that the attack one uses to throw the dagger is effectively the attack that you originally used to stab, and derives from the same source, and thus carries the same restrictions.  If someone provokes an AoO, I cannot throw my dagger at them; it's something I can't do with that attack.  So when I get to use that attack twice - once to stab, and once to throw - the throw can't happen.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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