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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jaelis" data-source="post: 7231492" data-attributes="member: 60210">IMO, if the PCs know that enemies are present then they shouldn't be surprised, but it has to be a situation where they basically know who and where the enemies are, just not exactly where they are hiding. Simply being on guard isn't enough.Alternatively, if there's an obvious place an enemy could be hiding, and the PC's specifically say they are watching it, then I wouldn't grant surprise either. Like if there's an arrow slit in the wall and the PCs say they will move past it carefully in case there is an archer.In those kinds of cases, if the ambushers nonetheless hide successfully, I would instead grant them first place in the initiative order, since they control the start of combat.</blockquote>