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<blockquote data-quote="Owldragon" data-source="post: 3594325" data-attributes="member: 11733">If you have Dragon Magic, take a level of Dragonfire Adept, choosing the Draconic Knowledge invocation for +6 to all Knowledge and Spellcraft checks and LETTING YOU MAKE UNTRAINED CHECKS.&nbsp; If you have enough knowledge skill boosts from other sources, it's like getting Bardic Knowledge in addition to everything else.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Draconic Knowledge works well with this, as does Draconic Aura (Insight).I actually statted up a character using rules from Arcana Evolved who maxed out Knowledge skills a while ago - a mohj akashic 4 / dragonfire adept 3.&nbsp; He didn't focus on skill points (although he had quite a few with his high Int); instead he focused on increasing his bonus to Knowledge skills in general.&nbsp; At 7th level, he had +16 on any Knowledge checks he didn't have ranks in (and could still make checks on those subjects), and could reach a maximum of +30 in Knowledge skills he had maxed out.&nbsp; And this is without any magic items, and ignoring the akashic abilities of +2 to skill checks twice per day and Delve Into Collective Memory.&nbsp; If he did get any intelligence-boosting items, of course, he would get twice the increase to his Knowledge skills due to the 2nd level akashic ability...I considered using the rules for evolved levels from AE, and taking levels in the Intelligence Evolution class from the AE supplement Transcendence, but that just seemed unneccessary.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Owldragon, post: 3594325, member: 11733"] If you have Dragon Magic, take a level of Dragonfire Adept, choosing the Draconic Knowledge invocation for +6 to all Knowledge and Spellcraft checks and LETTING YOU MAKE UNTRAINED CHECKS. If you have enough knowledge skill boosts from other sources, it's like getting Bardic Knowledge in addition to everything else. :) Draconic Knowledge works well with this, as does Draconic Aura (Insight). I actually statted up a character using rules from Arcana Evolved who maxed out Knowledge skills a while ago - a mohj akashic 4 / dragonfire adept 3. He didn't focus on skill points (although he had quite a few with his high Int); instead he focused on increasing his bonus to Knowledge skills in general. At 7th level, he had +16 on any Knowledge checks he [I]didn't[/I] have ranks in (and could still make checks on those subjects), and could reach a maximum of +30 in Knowledge skills he had maxed out. And this is without any magic items, and ignoring the akashic abilities of +2 to skill checks twice per day and Delve Into Collective Memory. If he did get any intelligence-boosting items, of course, he would get twice the increase to his Knowledge skills due to the 2nd level akashic ability...I considered using the rules for evolved levels from AE, and taking levels in the Intelligence Evolution class from the AE supplement Transcendence, but that just seemed unneccessary. :cool: [/QUOTE]

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