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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 8259181" data-attributes="member: 8461">I'm wondering if the abstract nature of the topic, i.e. whether or not character death through no fault of the players' own is desirable or not, is muddying the discussion. If so, I'd narrow things to a particular example that seems more germane to what's being debated.For instance, what should the DM do in the event that a particular encounter proves to be too much for the PCs, not because of any imbalance regarding the number or level/CR of the NPCs, but where a combination of bad die rolls (and good die rolls for the enemies) and canny tactics on the bad guys' parts (whether ascribed in a module or as run by a DM), put them in a position to wipe out the party? Does the DM play the bad guys to the hilt, not fudging their rolls or compromising on the effectiveness of their tactics? Or does the DM fudge the rolls and have the bad guys be less effective than they could otherwise be so the party can escape?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 8259181, member: 8461"] I'm wondering if the abstract nature of the topic, i.e. whether or not character death through no fault of the players' own is desirable or not, is muddying the discussion. If so, I'd narrow things to a particular example that seems more germane to what's being debated. For instance, what should the DM do in the event that a particular encounter proves to be too much for the PCs, not because of any imbalance regarding the number or level/CR of the NPCs, but where a combination of bad die rolls (and good die rolls for the enemies) and canny tactics on the bad guys' parts (whether ascribed in a module or as run by a DM), put them in a position to wipe out the party? Does the DM play the bad guys to the hilt, not fudging their rolls or compromising on the effectiveness of their tactics? Or does the DM fudge the rolls and have the bad guys be less effective than they could otherwise be so the party can escape? [/QUOTE]

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