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Kobold Adept4 - Balanced CR1?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kalendraf" data-source="post: 1922936" data-attributes="member: 3433"><p>When I looked at the Kobold Warrior4, I totally overlooked a feat like Weapon Finesse which can obviously lead to a huge BAB for this little bugger. I saw that he could have a high AC, but it didn't look like he'd have much of an attack. The feat obviously changes it up. I also neglected to factor in NPC equipment value for a 4th level character which will obviously help even more. Then again, wealth can be campaign specific, so I was mostly just looking at the raw stats for this.</p><p></p><p>Instead of a short sword may as well shoot straight for a Rapier. Same damage as the short sword and allows crits that much more often, plus it works with Weapon Finesse.</p><p></p><p>Although that d4-1 isn't exactly scary, once you factor in the high AC and the decent hit points, you can see just how difficult it may be for a 1st level party to handle it. It's going to nickle'n'dime them death...or maybe in this case penny'n'nickle them death. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>In regards to Warrior4, I fully agree with the CR2 assessment...which basically means that the -3 statement in the book is the problem. A value like -2 is probably more on track.</p><p></p><p>As for the Adept4, I'd say it's probably a CR3. For comparison, IMHO the Kobold Adept4 is about on par with a Wiz3. The adept doesn't get as many spells per day, but the extra caster level and d6 hit points make up for that somewhat. Having the ability to dishout 4d4 via burning hands or 4d6 with scorching ray seems too strong for a CR2.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kalendraf, post: 1922936, member: 3433"] When I looked at the Kobold Warrior4, I totally overlooked a feat like Weapon Finesse which can obviously lead to a huge BAB for this little bugger. I saw that he could have a high AC, but it didn't look like he'd have much of an attack. The feat obviously changes it up. I also neglected to factor in NPC equipment value for a 4th level character which will obviously help even more. Then again, wealth can be campaign specific, so I was mostly just looking at the raw stats for this. Instead of a short sword may as well shoot straight for a Rapier. Same damage as the short sword and allows crits that much more often, plus it works with Weapon Finesse. Although that d4-1 isn't exactly scary, once you factor in the high AC and the decent hit points, you can see just how difficult it may be for a 1st level party to handle it. It's going to nickle'n'dime them death...or maybe in this case penny'n'nickle them death. :p In regards to Warrior4, I fully agree with the CR2 assessment...which basically means that the -3 statement in the book is the problem. A value like -2 is probably more on track. As for the Adept4, I'd say it's probably a CR3. For comparison, IMHO the Kobold Adept4 is about on par with a Wiz3. The adept doesn't get as many spells per day, but the extra caster level and d6 hit points make up for that somewhat. Having the ability to dishout 4d4 via burning hands or 4d6 with scorching ray seems too strong for a CR2. [/QUOTE]
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