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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8975481" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>I'm not sure this is the point that should be made if trying to emphasize that Black Flag is objectively misleading as contrasted to WotC.</p><p></p><p>There are quite a lot of us that have serious objections to WotC claims about One D&D. Saying "One D&D is almost as 5e as our latest 5e books" may be objectively accurate, but their latest 5e books are conceptually to 5e as late 3e or 4e books were to their original core books. Things have changed and they are leaning into it.</p><p></p><p>Mike Mearls reflected on the changes from 3e to 4e, how that to the designers the changes seemed a logical and not radical development--because they were comparing <em> late</em> 3e to 4e. But, he said, they had discovered that for most players, an edition (whether 2e, or 3e, etc) is defined by its original core PHB. That's absolutely true for me. One D&D is not the same 5e game as in the 2014 core books, and is therefore not 5e to me. The changes to monster design, essential abandonment of the short rest, and revision via errata are the clearest embodiment of that.</p><p></p><p>Unlike 2e Players Options era, or late 3e evolutions (neither of which I really got into) they are not preserving the original PHB by keeping it in print it alongside some experimental new stuff. They are literally making it the only version of a PHB you can no longer purchase from them, because they have made substantial (and it seems like on-going) changes to the text in both the online version and new reprints. Let me modify that. You can't buy the original 4e either, because (I assume) the PDFs of the PHB, etc. they sell are the latest versions after massive revision by errata.</p><p></p><p>So yeah, I wasn't planning on derailing the thread, but if Kobold Press is being misleading, WotC is too. (As far as my own opinion goes, I don't think either of them are intentionally being misleading. I assume the current people in charge of One D&D design believe it's 5e just like the 4e designers believed it followed naturally from 3e).</p><p></p><p>EDIT: To put practical example to my statements, I love the Wild Beyond the Witchlight adventure, but I have to rewrite every NPC and new monster statblock to get the 5e experience I want, while I run Lost Mine of Phandelver straight out of the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8975481, member: 6677017"] I'm not sure this is the point that should be made if trying to emphasize that Black Flag is objectively misleading as contrasted to WotC. There are quite a lot of us that have serious objections to WotC claims about One D&D. Saying "One D&D is almost as 5e as our latest 5e books" may be objectively accurate, but their latest 5e books are conceptually to 5e as late 3e or 4e books were to their original core books. Things have changed and they are leaning into it. Mike Mearls reflected on the changes from 3e to 4e, how that to the designers the changes seemed a logical and not radical development--because they were comparing [I] late[/I] 3e to 4e. But, he said, they had discovered that for most players, an edition (whether 2e, or 3e, etc) is defined by its original core PHB. That's absolutely true for me. One D&D is not the same 5e game as in the 2014 core books, and is therefore not 5e to me. The changes to monster design, essential abandonment of the short rest, and revision via errata are the clearest embodiment of that. Unlike 2e Players Options era, or late 3e evolutions (neither of which I really got into) they are not preserving the original PHB by keeping it in print it alongside some experimental new stuff. They are literally making it the only version of a PHB you can no longer purchase from them, because they have made substantial (and it seems like on-going) changes to the text in both the online version and new reprints. Let me modify that. You can't buy the original 4e either, because (I assume) the PDFs of the PHB, etc. they sell are the latest versions after massive revision by errata. So yeah, I wasn't planning on derailing the thread, but if Kobold Press is being misleading, WotC is too. (As far as my own opinion goes, I don't think either of them are intentionally being misleading. I assume the current people in charge of One D&D design believe it's 5e just like the 4e designers believed it followed naturally from 3e). EDIT: To put practical example to my statements, I love the Wild Beyond the Witchlight adventure, but I have to rewrite every NPC and new monster statblock to get the 5e experience I want, while I run Lost Mine of Phandelver straight out of the book. [/QUOTE]
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