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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 8975584" data-attributes="member: 7034611">Having a grognard in a group is not a requirement for a group to form. When I started playing in the 1e days, I simply started a group and it was the first time for all of us. Pretty sure that is frequently the case. Even when it is not, it can be someone who has played the game for a few years and is not a grognard...As to what grognard means, it probably is loosely defined. To me it is someone who has been around a while and longs for the days past. Maybe by now there is such a thing as a 4e grognard, my interpretation allows for it, but on Youtube I mostly encounter OSR ones."Someone who enjoys playing older war-games or roleplaying games, or older versions of such games, when newer ones are available." is a definition I found, that mirrors mine pretty well. In any case they are unhappy with the current game and long for an earlier edition. So the point of them introducing players to not-5e instead of 5e still stands.</blockquote>