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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reef" data-source="post: 8979892" data-attributes="member: 4533">"Better Game" is a very nebulous category to try to pin down.  Better how?  And for whom?  I freely admit there are games out there with 'better' mechanics than D&D 5e.  If I was going to run a pulp/cinematic campaign, I'd say Savage Worlds has better mechanics for that.  If I'm looking for a more narrative style with the players as co-authors, well then Fate or PBTA games are clearly better.Although I've never played Pathfinder 2e, I've looked at it, and heard lots about it.  And by every indication it's a great game.  Solid math, easy encounter building for the GM, good tactical choices, and lots of character options for customization.  Based on that, I wouldn't quibble if someone said it was a better game than 5e.  However, my group would choke on it, no matter how much 'better' it was.  For them, 5e is the better game, because it is the one they enjoy playing.If WoTC went and added all the new mechanics that Micah (and others) are asking for, it might very well be a better game mechanically.  At least for them.  But would it be a better game for everyone else?  No one can say, because 'better' isn't something we can quantify.Based on the info WoTC has gathered over the years, they've decided that this version of 5e is the better version for the largest number of players.  Considering how well it is doing, I can't fault them for that.</blockquote>