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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 8984537" data-attributes="member: 7040132">Their argument? If something someone say is dishonest, THEY ARE being dishonest. There is no difference. People say actions speak louder than words but speaking and writing words are actions. Misleading statements and lies are actions. KP says the following (though my own commentary is added as well):"1) 5th Edition Core Rulebooks are going away. The 5E Monster Manual, Player’s Handbook, and Dungeon Master’s Guide will not stay in print."This claim is being misleading at best and outright deceptive at worst. The 2014 books will go out of print, sure, but the 2024 books will also be 5E and they won't be out of print. They are making this claim to support later claims that D&D will be non-physical, subscription-only, and that people must to go to a 3rd party to get physical book support, and ask that they consider being that 3pp."New players must either use purely digital rulebooks (which works for some people) or find a new version."As mentioned above, here is the "must." Anyone who thinks that Wizards is going digital-only in 2024 is... not being honest with themselves, let alone people they are trying to convince/deceive. Wizards has even said they are publishing books in 2024, but likely not special editions at first printing.We aim to keep the spirit of tabletop alive by producing beautiful, inviting versions of the core rulebooks for those who prefer to play face-to-face and those who don’t want to pay a monthly subscription to play.By saying they want to keep the spirit of TTRP "alive" they are saying it is dying. Really? Here we also see the subscription claim and that if you want to play face to face, you must go elsewhere.We want to keep 5E vibrant and strong at the heart of a community of players and publishers. Your investment in 5E will be supported by Project Black Flag because it is compatible with the game you already know.Anyone paying attention knows that Wizards plans on the 2024 update being backwards compatible. Even if that is in doubt, KP is claiming it as a fact, which is misleading because they can't know yet. Do people really think that KPs changes will be less than Wizards changes? Or Level Up's? Heck, they have to create all new subclasses, and they are adding a L1 feat themselves, and they have to make all kinds of changes that hammer down the proud nails they don't like. They are literally making an entire new game, not just options. In fact, if their changes aren't as big as Level Up, I may not be interested. At least Level Up created what they considered an "Advanced" option of alternate books, and are putting their design chops up against Wizards'. If both Level Up and BF's games are considered 5E compatible, I am confident that the 2024 D&D rulebooks will be as well if held to the same standards. They are claiming that they are the ones that can keep "5E" strong, but the only reason for making deceptive statements about 5E is to undermine whatever Wizards is working on. All those misleading claims were planned, purposeful negative-marketing speak to support a later request to replace anything 5E with their own game. That is not "strong." The entire ad is negative, pernicious, ad-speak intended to weaken Wizards. They want to sound like rebellious black flag flying pirates. Well they succeeded in my eyes. They should drop the negative speak and put their design skills up against their competitors, showing how they are awesome, encouraging each other to up their game (pun intended). Heck, the D&D design team says they value and want 3rd party support as they can't create everything that different gamers want. I bet they buy 3pp books too! Many TTRPG designers are friendly industry acquaintances if not friends with each other and support each other. They don't want hostility.At least Wizards changed course when they were called out for making errors. I will hold any creator to the same standards. Just because Wizards messes up, it doesn't mean that other companies can't.</blockquote>

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