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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7449140" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Okay, the first question mark is the Armour Class.</p><p></p><p>Here are a few Demon Lords for comparisons:</p><p></p><p><strong>Adimarchus, Angelic Form (</strong><em>Dungeon #116</em><strong>):</strong> HD 30; AC 42, touch 25, flat-footed 36</p><p>(+6 Dex, +7 armor, +9 insight, +10 natural)</p><p><strong>Adimarchus, Demonic Form (</strong><em>Dungeon #116</em><strong>):</strong> HD 30; AC 45, touch 25, flat-footed 39</p><p>(+6 Dex, +9 insight, +20 natural)</p><p><strong>Demogorgon (</strong><em>Dragon #357</em><strong>):</strong> HD 37; AC 59, touch 19, flat-footed 44</p><p>(–2 size, +11 Dex, +32 natural, +4 armor, +4 deflection)</p><p><strong>Demogorgon (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 27; AC 43, touch 16, flat-footed 35</p><p>(–2 size, +8 Dex, +27 natural)</p><p><strong>Demogorgon (</strong><em>Book of Vile Darkness</em><strong>):</strong> HD 39; AC 47, touch 25, flat-footed 39</p><p>(–2 size, +8 Dex, +9 insight, +18 natural, +4 mage armor)</p><p><strong>Graz'zt (</strong><em>Dragon #360</em><strong>):</strong> HD 37; AC 54, touch 36, flat-footed 43</p><p>(–1 size, +11 Dex, +11 natural, +7 shield, +16 deflection)</p><p><strong>Graz'zt (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 27; AC 54, touch 12, flat-footed 51</p><p>(–1 size, +3 Dex, +22 natural, +13 armor, +7 shield)</p><p><strong>Graz'zt (</strong><em>Book of Vile Darkness</em><strong>):</strong> HD 36; AC 43, touch 25, flat-footed 33</p><p>(–1 size, +10 Dex, +6 insight, +13 natural, +5 shield)</p><p><strong>Juiblex (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 21; AC 31, touch 11, flat-footed 29</p><p>(–1 size, +2 Dex, +20 natural)</p><p><strong>Juiblex (</strong><em>Book of Vile Darkness</em><strong>):</strong> HD 26; AC 37, touch 22, flat-footed 34</p><p>(–1 size, +3 Dex, +10 insight, +15 natural)</p><p><strong>Obox-Ob (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 26; AC 41, touch 11, flat-footed 38</p><p>(–2 size, +3 Dex, +30 natural)</p><p><strong>Orcus (</strong><em>Dungeon #149</em><strong>):</strong> HD 36; AC 55, touch 17, flat-footed 47</p><p>(–1 size, +8 Dex, +33 natural, +5 deflection)[touch AC should be 22]</p><p><strong>Orcus (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 26; AC 48, touch 20, flat-footed 42</p><p>(–1 size, +6 Dex, +28 natural, +5 deflection)</p><p><strong>Orcus (</strong><em>Dungeon #89</em><strong>):</strong> HD 44; AC 42, touch 10, flat-footed 41</p><p>(–1 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural)</p><p><strong>Orcus (</strong><em>Book of Vile Darkness</em><strong>):</strong> HD 37; AC 47, touch 27, flat-footed 40</p><p>(–1 size, +7 Dex, +6 insight, +20 natural, +5 deflection)</p><p><strong>Malcanthet (</strong><em>Dungeon #149</em><strong>):</strong> HD 33; AC 50, touch 38, flat-footed 39</p><p>(+11 Dex, +12 natural, +17 deflection)</p><p><strong>Malcanthet (</strong><em>Fiendish Codex I</em><strong>):</strong> HD 25; AC 42, touch 35, flat-footed 32</p><p>(+10 Dex, +7 natural, +15 deflection)</p><p></p><p>Hmm, we've got a range from AC 59 to 31 there.</p><p></p><p>I'm thinking of aiming for AC 42 for Khalk'ru but could be persuaded higher. With the current ability and size modifiers that would require a natural armour bonus of +25. That doesn't seem too excessive.</p><p></p><p><strong>Armor Class:</strong> 42 (–8 size, +7 Dex, +8 deflection, +25 natural), touch 17, flat-footed 35</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7449140, member: 57383"] Okay, the first question mark is the Armour Class. Here are a few Demon Lords for comparisons: [B]Adimarchus, Angelic Form ([/B][I]Dungeon #116[/I][B]):[/B] HD 30; AC 42, touch 25, flat-footed 36 (+6 Dex, +7 armor, +9 insight, +10 natural) [B]Adimarchus, Demonic Form ([/B][I]Dungeon #116[/I][B]):[/B] HD 30; AC 45, touch 25, flat-footed 39 (+6 Dex, +9 insight, +20 natural) [B]Demogorgon ([/B][I]Dragon #357[/I][B]):[/B] HD 37; AC 59, touch 19, flat-footed 44 (–2 size, +11 Dex, +32 natural, +4 armor, +4 deflection) [B]Demogorgon ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 27; AC 43, touch 16, flat-footed 35 (–2 size, +8 Dex, +27 natural) [B]Demogorgon ([/B][I]Book of Vile Darkness[/I][B]):[/B] HD 39; AC 47, touch 25, flat-footed 39 (–2 size, +8 Dex, +9 insight, +18 natural, +4 mage armor) [B]Graz'zt ([/B][I]Dragon #360[/I][B]):[/B] HD 37; AC 54, touch 36, flat-footed 43 (–1 size, +11 Dex, +11 natural, +7 shield, +16 deflection) [B]Graz'zt ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 27; AC 54, touch 12, flat-footed 51 (–1 size, +3 Dex, +22 natural, +13 armor, +7 shield) [B]Graz'zt ([/B][I]Book of Vile Darkness[/I][B]):[/B] HD 36; AC 43, touch 25, flat-footed 33 (–1 size, +10 Dex, +6 insight, +13 natural, +5 shield) [B]Juiblex ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 21; AC 31, touch 11, flat-footed 29 (–1 size, +2 Dex, +20 natural) [B]Juiblex ([/B][I]Book of Vile Darkness[/I][B]):[/B] HD 26; AC 37, touch 22, flat-footed 34 (–1 size, +3 Dex, +10 insight, +15 natural) [B]Obox-Ob ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 26; AC 41, touch 11, flat-footed 38 (–2 size, +3 Dex, +30 natural) [B]Orcus ([/B][I]Dungeon #149[/I][B]):[/B] HD 36; AC 55, touch 17, flat-footed 47 (–1 size, +8 Dex, +33 natural, +5 deflection)[touch AC should be 22] [B]Orcus ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 26; AC 48, touch 20, flat-footed 42 (–1 size, +6 Dex, +28 natural, +5 deflection) [B]Orcus ([/B][I]Dungeon #89[/I][B]):[/B] HD 44; AC 42, touch 10, flat-footed 41 (–1 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural) [B]Orcus ([/B][I]Book of Vile Darkness[/I][B]):[/B] HD 37; AC 47, touch 27, flat-footed 40 (–1 size, +7 Dex, +6 insight, +20 natural, +5 deflection) [B]Malcanthet ([/B][I]Dungeon #149[/I][B]):[/B] HD 33; AC 50, touch 38, flat-footed 39 (+11 Dex, +12 natural, +17 deflection) [B]Malcanthet ([/B][I]Fiendish Codex I[/I][B]):[/B] HD 25; AC 42, touch 35, flat-footed 32 (+10 Dex, +7 natural, +15 deflection) Hmm, we've got a range from AC 59 to 31 there. I'm thinking of aiming for AC 42 for Khalk'ru but could be persuaded higher. With the current ability and size modifiers that would require a natural armour bonus of +25. That doesn't seem too excessive. [B]Armor Class:[/B] 42 (–8 size, +7 Dex, +8 deflection, +25 natural), touch 17, flat-footed 35 [/QUOTE]
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