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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8091789" data-attributes="member: 57383">Updating <a href="https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8061932" target="_blank">Awnshegh Kraken Working Draft</a> with Native Outsider.I would be willing to consider making it extra large on the Colossal scale.Why don't we decide on an approximate Challenge Rating and work back from there?I feel it should be an end of campaign &quot;edge of Epic&quot; grade monster like a Tarrasque or Solar, so somewhere about CR 20 to CR 23 seems appropriate.A regular Kraken is CR 12, the Awnshegh version is is an Outsider with assorted funky powers which'd probably be worth another CR or two, plus it's a size bigger for one more.&nbsp; So it'd likely be CR 14-15 as a 20 HD monster.Improving Monsters says the +5-9 Challenge Rating step from CR 14-15 to CR 20-23 is 10-18 HD of Outsider, which comes to 30-38 HD.As you say, the 30d8 at the bottom of that range seems a bit low but that higher limit would be acceptable.&nbsp; At the minimum I'd give it 33 HD since that's where the SRD Kraken turns Colossal.Hmm…How about we figure the 220 hp original had 5 or 6 hit points per die instead of the 4.5 average?&nbsp; That'd give it between 36 Hit Dice and 44 Hit Dice.That seems reasonable for a not-quite epic menace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8091789, member: 57383"] Updating [URL='https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8061932'][B]Awnshegh Kraken Working Draft[/B][/URL] with Native Outsider. I would be willing to consider making it extra large on the Colossal scale. Why don't we decide on an approximate Challenge Rating and work back from there? I feel it should be an end of campaign "edge of Epic" grade monster like a Tarrasque or Solar, so somewhere about CR 20 to CR 23 seems appropriate. A regular Kraken is CR 12, the Awnshegh version is is an Outsider with assorted funky powers which'd probably be worth another CR or two, plus it's a size bigger for one more. So it'd likely be CR 14-15 as a 20 HD monster. Improving Monsters says the +5-9 Challenge Rating step from CR 14-15 to CR 20-23 is 10-18 HD of Outsider, which comes to 30-38 HD. As you say, the 30d8 at the bottom of that range seems a bit low but that higher limit would be acceptable. At the minimum I'd give it 33 HD since that's where the SRD Kraken turns Colossal. Hmm… How about we figure the 220 hp original had 5 or 6 hit points per die instead of the 4.5 average? That'd give it between 36 Hit Dice and 44 Hit Dice. That seems reasonable for a not-quite epic menace. [/QUOTE]

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