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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8629367" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Gameplay is either intended to be RAW, or intended to involve changes to RAW made by the DM/Group. This is true dichotomy. It's either intended to be changed or it isn't. Which is it?</p><p></p><p>It's not an Appeal to Authority.</p><p></p><p>Removing death from the table is just a simple homebrew hack, though. You may not like playing the game that way(and neither do I), but that's all it is.</p><p></p><p>Neither does the removal of PC death. There's nothing different about removing that than adding in a critical hit table or removing Counterspell.</p><p></p><p>I don't know that RPG, but if it's just a 5e compatible RPG, then of course it's a different RPG. If it's a new 5e homebrew setting, then it's probably D&D, but one with a lot of fundamental changes to things like Dark Sun did to 2e.</p><p></p><p>But it was in fact D&D, regardless of the changes.</p><p></p><p>Here's the thing. It can "feel" like a game other than D&D to you, but your feelings don't change anything. They're just your subjective feelings about the subject. A game with no PC death is D&D, just like a game with no Counterspell is D&D.</p><p></p><p>No. No they in fact are not setting aside the dice system altogether. I showed that a few posts ago. Combat still matters, dice and all. They can fail without dying and suffer serious consequences. They still use dice for skills, saves, exploration and more. You are grossly exaggerating what the removal of PC death means, which really isn't all that much.</p><p></p><p>Yes it is in fact just another house rule. It can be nothing else. Any change to the rules, no matter how drastic, is a house rule.</p><p></p><p>For you. I'm not sure how you answered(if you answered) my first question in this post, but the game is in fact intended to be played with changes, both minor and major, made by the DM/Group.</p><p></p><p>We can see that from the 5e D&D which says you can play the game almost entirely diceless, which is your incorrect position about what the removal of death does to the game. So even if you were correct about what removing death does, a intended playstyle of D&D involves removing the dice almost completely from the game, so it would still be D&D.</p><p></p><p>We can also see that from the myriad of instances where it tells the DM that the rules serve the DM, not the other way around, as well as the multitude of optional rules, many of which drastically alter fundamental aspects of the game.</p><p></p><p>Until you can show objectively where that line is, the above is an irrelevant statement. You don't get to decide for someone else whether they are playing D&D or not based on your personal opinion that the line was crossed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8629367, member: 23751"] Gameplay is either intended to be RAW, or intended to involve changes to RAW made by the DM/Group. This is true dichotomy. It's either intended to be changed or it isn't. Which is it? It's not an Appeal to Authority. Removing death from the table is just a simple homebrew hack, though. You may not like playing the game that way(and neither do I), but that's all it is. Neither does the removal of PC death. There's nothing different about removing that than adding in a critical hit table or removing Counterspell. I don't know that RPG, but if it's just a 5e compatible RPG, then of course it's a different RPG. If it's a new 5e homebrew setting, then it's probably D&D, but one with a lot of fundamental changes to things like Dark Sun did to 2e. But it was in fact D&D, regardless of the changes. Here's the thing. It can "feel" like a game other than D&D to you, but your feelings don't change anything. They're just your subjective feelings about the subject. A game with no PC death is D&D, just like a game with no Counterspell is D&D. No. No they in fact are not setting aside the dice system altogether. I showed that a few posts ago. Combat still matters, dice and all. They can fail without dying and suffer serious consequences. They still use dice for skills, saves, exploration and more. You are grossly exaggerating what the removal of PC death means, which really isn't all that much. Yes it is in fact just another house rule. It can be nothing else. Any change to the rules, no matter how drastic, is a house rule. For you. I'm not sure how you answered(if you answered) my first question in this post, but the game is in fact intended to be played with changes, both minor and major, made by the DM/Group. We can see that from the 5e D&D which says you can play the game almost entirely diceless, which is your incorrect position about what the removal of death does to the game. So even if you were correct about what removing death does, a intended playstyle of D&D involves removing the dice almost completely from the game, so it would still be D&D. We can also see that from the myriad of instances where it tells the DM that the rules serve the DM, not the other way around, as well as the multitude of optional rules, many of which drastically alter fundamental aspects of the game. Until you can show objectively where that line is, the above is an irrelevant statement. You don't get to decide for someone else whether they are playing D&D or not based on your personal opinion that the line was crossed. [/QUOTE]
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