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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6155859" data-attributes="member: 42582">My point is that the idea of the Plane of Shadow as a cosmology-breaching transitive plane is not an essential or even especially well-entrenched aspect of that plane. The idea that it is some sort of mirror or reflection of the Prime Material is at least as well established (via pre-MotP AD&amp;D and then 4e).I agree with this.I also don't understand why Planescape's riding roughshod over (or reinterpreting, if you prefer) prior AD&amp;D lore is to be embraced, whereas 4e's doing the same thing must be repduiated.What sort of cosmologies were there in 2nd ed AD&amp;D that weren't located within the &quot;Great Wheel&quot;?In Gygax's PHB, and in DDG, the ethereal as well as the astral could be used to move between Prime Material Planes. In the MotP, though, this idea was dropped - only the astral permitted such movement. But that was not movement between cosmologies. There was no idea of parallel cosmologies in 1st ed AD&amp;D, only of alternative Prime Material Planes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6155859, member: 42582"] My point is that the idea of the Plane of Shadow as a cosmology-breaching transitive plane is not an essential or even especially well-entrenched aspect of that plane. The idea that it is some sort of mirror or reflection of the Prime Material is at least as well established (via pre-MotP AD&D and then 4e). I agree with this. I also don't understand why Planescape's riding roughshod over (or reinterpreting, if you prefer) prior AD&D lore is to be embraced, whereas 4e's doing the same thing must be repduiated. What sort of cosmologies were there in 2nd ed AD&D that weren't located within the "Great Wheel"? In Gygax's PHB, and in DDG, the ethereal as well as the astral could be used to move between Prime Material Planes. In the MotP, though, this idea was dropped - only the astral permitted such movement. But that was not movement between cosmologies. There was no idea of parallel cosmologies in 1st ed AD&D, only of alternative Prime Material Planes. [/QUOTE]

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