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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6156807" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>Actually, no I can't give examples. As I understand it I'm not allowed to quote sections from 4e to post to boards like these. Plus it is hard to prove the breadth of such things without counting literally every instance in the books.</p><p></p><p>Further proof of what I'm saying probably relates more to how much background information is found in each of the core books. I mean PHB, MM, DMG. How many times do you reference each of the planes, planar structure, blood war, sigil, the specific homes of the gods (ie. what planes they are on), who their allies are, what the relations are, the history of the world, and so on. Do that for both 4e and 3e. It is less in 3e. PHB alone shows that. I mean in 3e you don't even get told who Mordikenien is, let alone why the spells are named after him. Which means, as I and mine long though, that it was just the name of the spell - it wasn't a piece of lore we were tied to.</p><p></p><p>That's good by the way. I see no reason why it is necessary to explain why there are three kinds of fiends in the core books. None. Having three kinds is good enough for those who want it. It is simple enough for them to be three flavours of the same people if DMs want it and it can be used as the assumption of how to expand to having the full blood war if they want that too.</p><p></p><p>They don't need to put this stuff in the core books, they can relegate it to additional books with specific themes. But on the other hand, it helps if the option is there in the first place so they are not ONLY in those themed-books. It also helps if there is a default so that writers can add to a body of fiction and create a cohesive whole instead of just adding whatever the they feel like - a problem with the later MMs (in 3e) from what I saw. Same with some of the later splat books (lore in Bo9S, I'm looking at you).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, converting a demon from outsider to elemental is actually pretty easy in 3e actually. Converting to fey, humanoid or something is harder. But outsider to elemental is fairly simple, just add the elemental type.. subtype? to the tagline and say it has elemental traits. The fiction tied to how the monster operates is what I was talking about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6156807, member: 95493"] Actually, no I can't give examples. As I understand it I'm not allowed to quote sections from 4e to post to boards like these. Plus it is hard to prove the breadth of such things without counting literally every instance in the books. Further proof of what I'm saying probably relates more to how much background information is found in each of the core books. I mean PHB, MM, DMG. How many times do you reference each of the planes, planar structure, blood war, sigil, the specific homes of the gods (ie. what planes they are on), who their allies are, what the relations are, the history of the world, and so on. Do that for both 4e and 3e. It is less in 3e. PHB alone shows that. I mean in 3e you don't even get told who Mordikenien is, let alone why the spells are named after him. Which means, as I and mine long though, that it was just the name of the spell - it wasn't a piece of lore we were tied to. That's good by the way. I see no reason why it is necessary to explain why there are three kinds of fiends in the core books. None. Having three kinds is good enough for those who want it. It is simple enough for them to be three flavours of the same people if DMs want it and it can be used as the assumption of how to expand to having the full blood war if they want that too. They don't need to put this stuff in the core books, they can relegate it to additional books with specific themes. But on the other hand, it helps if the option is there in the first place so they are not ONLY in those themed-books. It also helps if there is a default so that writers can add to a body of fiction and create a cohesive whole instead of just adding whatever the they feel like - a problem with the later MMs (in 3e) from what I saw. Same with some of the later splat books (lore in Bo9S, I'm looking at you). Also, converting a demon from outsider to elemental is actually pretty easy in 3e actually. Converting to fey, humanoid or something is harder. But outsider to elemental is fairly simple, just add the elemental type.. subtype? to the tagline and say it has elemental traits. The fiction tied to how the monster operates is what I was talking about. [/QUOTE]
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