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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5840579" data-attributes="member: 59057">I like this idea. Though I agree, that spells should have an effect besides the save or die effect when the hp are too high.And this idea is not new either. As mentioned above, energy drain exactly does that. Damage, and if it reduces you to 20 or less hp: dead!And there have always been power words. Those were always good spells in my opinion.In older editions there were also spells that were just tied to the number of hit dice (levels in 4e) the monsters have. So in the end, it only takes the total hp int account.When i have to chose between those two mechanics, i prefer the former.Then there is the third mechanic: kill if you are bloodied/reduced to one quarter of your hp.The problem here is, that this approach does not discriminate between high and low level targets. Only if you deal damage with the attack. And we don´t want illusion spells deal damage anymore...</blockquote>