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<blockquote data-quote="Blacky the Blackball" data-source="post: 5840806" data-attributes="member: 6688526">Many people on this thread are complaining that this proposed system means that save-or-die effects&nbsp; won't work on anyone unless they're already nearly dead. But I think&nbsp; that's a misreading of the article.Taking a Medusa for example. Her save-or-be-petrified threshold would be X hit points.1) Low level characters would have fewer than X hit points even when&nbsp; fully healed. For them, a Medusa is a terrifying &quot;you might be turned to&nbsp; stone by failing a save in a surprise round with nothing you can do to&nbsp; stop it&quot; monster.2) Mid level characters would have a bit more than X hit points when&nbsp; fully healed. For them, a Medusa is still scary. Sure, they can't be&nbsp; turned to stone in a surprise round if they're fully healed; but if they&nbsp; are surprised while weakend from previous fights or if the medusa (or&nbsp; her allies) hit them a couple of times they're rapidly into save-or-die&nbsp; territory. They're unlikely to be able to fight a medusa without someone&nbsp; dipping into that territory.3) High level characters would have a lot more than X hit points when&nbsp; fully healed. For them, a Medusa is a simple fight. As experienced&nbsp; adventurers they're unlikely to be turned to stone unless they're very&nbsp; weakened from previous fights. If that's not the case, the medusa is&nbsp; unlikely to be able to weaken them into save-or-die territory unless&nbsp; she's allied with other harder monsters - in which case they're the ones&nbsp; that are scary; not her.To me, that sounds ideal. Low level characters need to avoid encounters&nbsp; with medusae; mid level characters still need to be wary and scared; and&nbsp; high level characters aren't going to roll a 1 on the first round and&nbsp; be killed by a creature so much weaker than them.And the beauty is that each type of monsteer with a save-or-die attack&nbsp; will have a different value for &quot;X&quot;; meaning that &quot;low level&quot;, &quot;mid&nbsp; level&quot; and &quot;high level&quot; is relative to the monster, not absolute.It's only characters who are high level compared to the monster&nbsp; who won't get hit by the save-or-dies unless they're nearly dead. Low to&nbsp; mid level characters (again, compared to the monster) will still&nbsp; be in danger from them most or even all of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blacky the Blackball, post: 5840806, member: 6688526"] Many people on this thread are complaining that this proposed system means that save-or-die effects won't work on anyone unless they're already nearly dead. But I think that's a misreading of the article. Taking a Medusa for example. Her save-or-be-petrified threshold would be X hit points. 1) Low level characters would have fewer than X hit points even when fully healed. For them, a Medusa is a terrifying "you might be turned to stone by failing a save in a surprise round with nothing you can do to stop it" monster. 2) Mid level characters would have a bit more than X hit points when fully healed. For them, a Medusa is still scary. Sure, they can't be turned to stone in a surprise round if they're fully healed; but if they are surprised while weakend from previous fights or if the medusa (or her allies) hit them a couple of times they're rapidly into save-or-die territory. They're unlikely to be able to fight a medusa without someone dipping into that territory. 3) High level characters would have a lot more than X hit points when fully healed. For them, a Medusa is a simple fight. As experienced adventurers they're unlikely to be turned to stone unless they're very weakened from previous fights. If that's not the case, the medusa is unlikely to be able to weaken them into save-or-die territory unless she's allied with other harder monsters - in which case they're the ones that are scary; not her. To me, that sounds ideal. Low level characters need to avoid encounters with medusae; mid level characters still need to be wary and scared; and high level characters aren't going to roll a 1 on the first round and be killed by a creature so much weaker than them. And the beauty is that each type of monsteer with a save-or-die attack will have a different value for "X"; meaning that "low level", "mid level" and "high level" is relative to the monster, not absolute. It's only characters who are high level [b]compared to the monster[/b] who won't get hit by the save-or-dies unless they're nearly dead. Low to mid level characters (again, [b]compared to the monster[/b]) will still be in danger from them most or even all of the time. [/QUOTE]

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