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<blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 5841536" data-attributes="member: 984">I am uncertain exactly what you are trying to put forth in this post with the &quot;win the game perspective&quot; -type statements.&nbsp; If you are stating that alteration of SoD effects will reduce the game to guaranteed win encounters, or even moreso, that alteration of SoD effects will remove nasty elements that the party will need to work around, both in and out of combat, and lead to epic stories told over and over again to one's gaming buddies for years to come, then I disagree.&nbsp; I think there is no reason to believe that there is no other mechanic that can be constructed that generates the desired outcomes of SoD-type effects (those listed just above, for example) while reducing or removing the undesirable outcomes of SoD-type effects.&nbsp; And, btw,&nbsp; this is being spoken from someone whose PC has been turned to stone and played on in the excitement that arose from it.&nbsp; Removing adversity, even being turned to stone, is not the intent.Lastly, if you are stating that people who dislike or have an issue with straight-up SoD effects just want to &quot;win the game,&quot; just want to play a &quot;meaningless narrative substance&quot; game, and any modification to it has an air of &quot;fundamental wrongness&quot; to it, well, I would call all that false and an unnecessarily dismissive statement.peace,Kannik</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kannik, post: 5841536, member: 984"] I am uncertain exactly what you are trying to put forth in this post with the "win the game perspective" -type statements. If you are stating that alteration of SoD effects will reduce the game to guaranteed win encounters, or even moreso, that alteration of SoD effects will remove nasty elements that the party will need to work around, both in and out of combat, and lead to epic stories told over and over again to one's gaming buddies for years to come, then I disagree. I think there is no reason to believe that there is no other mechanic that can be constructed that generates the desired outcomes of SoD-type effects (those listed just above, for example) while reducing or removing the undesirable outcomes of SoD-type effects. And, btw, this is being spoken from someone whose PC has been turned to stone and played on in the excitement that arose from it. Removing adversity, even being turned to stone, is not the intent. Lastly, if you are stating that people who dislike or have an issue with straight-up SoD effects just want to "win the game," just want to play a "meaningless narrative substance" game, and any modification to it has an air of "fundamental wrongness" to it, well, I would call all that false and an unnecessarily dismissive statement. peace, Kannik [/QUOTE]

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