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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5845107" data-attributes="member: 29398">As soon as you mention powers/feats you're already into a system that does not have fast character generation at anything above very low level.And, I suppose the investment level in part depends on how difficult a given player finds it to come up with a basic character personality.  For some it's trivially easy, others find it a challenge.  And all you need is the basics; the fine details of the personality will develop themselves during play.I'm not a slow player, I just take an option and go with it; which in combat at least is somewhat realistic given a reasonable fog-of-war assumption. Agreed, though in my case the threat of death often becomes actual death due to low-wisdom players and-or dice that need to meet a blowtorch. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Your point about lower-level replacements voiding the adventure speaks to an issue I have with 3e/4e - the math is too fine-tuned.  In 1e/2e you could chuck a 3rd-level character in with a party of 6ths and it'd have a chance of surviving long enough to catch up a bit.  Not so much these days...I usually have replacements come in a level or so below the party average, but I put a floor on it to prevent too much backsliding. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lanefan</blockquote>

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