Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
L&L 3/11/2013 This Week in D&D
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 6099442" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>In 4e you are used to having only so few spells, that chosing the wrong one indeed makes your character worse... even as a mage, memorizing only the most effective and widely useful one each level is mandatory...</p><p></p><p>narrow spells, maneuvers that don´t need to be useful all the time... that is new to them.</p><p></p><p>Or spoken differently, which really matches my 4e experience... and which ultimately turned me off after a few years playing 4e:</p><p></p><p>In older editions, you looked at the present situation and thought about how to win an encounter by making the best of your tools, beeing creative and even applying spells and maneuvers in creative ways.</p><p></p><p>In 4e you looked at your charater sheet, trying to figure out, when it is the right situation to use your combat powers, no matter what happens in the actual szene. Not using up an encounter power, because it does not fit feels like wasting a resource.</p><p></p><p>This at least is myexperiene with 4e as DM and player... and I was also noticing that I that way. I didn´t mind, what the power was... just tried to figure out, when to pull it out.</p><p>One really positive experience wa the executioner, who at least mathed the older playstyle a bit more: he usually attacked with his BAB, and his at-will maneuvers were just applied, when it made sense... so not all 4e was bad, but mike mearls is spot on in his observations.</p><p></p><p>Especially fog cloud... the top encounter power in 4e was the hunter´s fog cloud, which was really really trivializing encounters... I really believe, most attacks should not be ally friendly... especially, when it makes no sense: "hey it is fog... but if you like the caster, you can easily see through it..."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 6099442, member: 59057"] In 4e you are used to having only so few spells, that chosing the wrong one indeed makes your character worse... even as a mage, memorizing only the most effective and widely useful one each level is mandatory... narrow spells, maneuvers that don´t need to be useful all the time... that is new to them. Or spoken differently, which really matches my 4e experience... and which ultimately turned me off after a few years playing 4e: In older editions, you looked at the present situation and thought about how to win an encounter by making the best of your tools, beeing creative and even applying spells and maneuvers in creative ways. In 4e you looked at your charater sheet, trying to figure out, when it is the right situation to use your combat powers, no matter what happens in the actual szene. Not using up an encounter power, because it does not fit feels like wasting a resource. This at least is myexperiene with 4e as DM and player... and I was also noticing that I that way. I didn´t mind, what the power was... just tried to figure out, when to pull it out. One really positive experience wa the executioner, who at least mathed the older playstyle a bit more: he usually attacked with his BAB, and his at-will maneuvers were just applied, when it made sense... so not all 4e was bad, but mike mearls is spot on in his observations. Especially fog cloud... the top encounter power in 4e was the hunter´s fog cloud, which was really really trivializing encounters... I really believe, most attacks should not be ally friendly... especially, when it makes no sense: "hey it is fog... but if you like the caster, you can easily see through it..." [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
L&L 3/11/2013 This Week in D&D
Top