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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Libramarian" data-source="post: 6103363" data-attributes="member: 6688858">"Ohhhh, now we can dare to go to the 5th dungeon  level!" is (light) mocking. But I'm not going to call you any kind of 'tard. I don't mind what you like and dislike  and I'm not trying to put you in a box or take away your old school card. What I find annoying  is when you try to inflate the value of your personal opinions by appealing  to a majority that just isn't there. I don't know if you do that by  habit or what, but you do it. D&D land is very pluralistic right now  and a belief in constant progress through the editions is not  widespread. Personally I don't mind this state of affairs and I think it's an interesting marketplace of ideas. The OSR has been around since before 4e launched, it's not going anywhere any time soon.No idea, but I would think the fact that the actual design team all worked on 4e is pretty good representation there.I'm also unsure where you got the impression that Zak hates 4e. I'm 100% sure he would disagree with that. He's said that he's played it and had a good time. However, he's very NOMA about OSR vs. 4e and has a tendency to talk with 4e fans like they're aliens from another planet. He's also advised, in what I thought was a howlingly patronizing way but maybe that's just me, non-OSR people to tell OSR people up front if they have Asperger's Syndrome so as to make discourse more constructive. He doesn't seem very aware of the fact that most people are not as creative as a professional artist with an MFA from Yale. I'm not sure to what degree that is affected. It's hard to tell because he's pretty hipster.RPGPundit OTOH is a pretty vociferous 4e hater. He's a disassociated mechanics guy and refers to 2008 as the year in which the Forgotten Realms setting was discontinued. I have to say that I find that amusingly catty. He lives in Uruguay and is really into pipe-smoking. He signs off on his forum threads and blog posts by mentioning what kind of tobacco he is currently smoking.I'd say they're both only average level of weirdness among OSR bloggers.The person I really thought they'd get for a consultant was James M. from Grognardia, but he's in hiding right now after absconding with $40,000 from the Kickstarter for his Dwimmermount megadungeon that he hasn't completed.</blockquote>

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