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<blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 6171583" data-attributes="member: 40233">While they've always had skills, they keep insisting that they aren't skills as we are used to thinking about them.&nbsp; In other words...they aren't 3rd edition skills. I would love to do away with 3e style skills, for about a half dozen different reasons.&nbsp; Unfortunately +0 to +5 is not enough of a differentiator between &quot;average, nothing special one way or the other&quot; and &quot;OMG best in the world&quot;, and the only way to make it so stat checks work without something like 3e's skills, or a proficiency system to provide another modifier, is to create a different resolution mechanic for noncombat stat checks and combat checks.For instance, the easiest thing would be to make the bonus for a strength check equal to your strength score minus ten, so an 18 strength would add 8 to his d20 roll.&nbsp; Much greater variance between Pee Wee Herman and Arnold Scharzenegger, but then each stat would have two different bonuses.&nbsp; Or they could steal the B/X's &amp; 2e's roll your stat or lower.Or they could &quot;roll 3d6&quot; and add your stat bonus.&nbsp; The bell curve would cause larger bonuses to have greater weight on chance of success than it first appears.But all this requires getting away from the &quot;D20&quot; system, which they will never do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Salamandyr, post: 6171583, member: 40233"] While they've always had skills, they keep insisting that they aren't skills as we are used to thinking about them. In other words...they aren't 3rd edition skills. I would love to do away with 3e style skills, for about a half dozen different reasons. Unfortunately +0 to +5 is not enough of a differentiator between "average, nothing special one way or the other" and "OMG best in the world", and the only way to make it so stat checks work without something like 3e's skills, or a proficiency system to provide another modifier, is to create a different resolution mechanic for noncombat stat checks and combat checks. For instance, the easiest thing would be to make the bonus for a strength check equal to your strength score minus ten, so an 18 strength would add 8 to his d20 roll. Much greater variance between Pee Wee Herman and Arnold Scharzenegger, but then each stat would have two different bonuses. Or they could steal the B/X's & 2e's roll your stat or lower. Or they could "roll 3d6" and add your stat bonus. The bell curve would cause larger bonuses to have greater weight on chance of success than it first appears. But all this requires getting away from the "D20" system, which they will never do. [/QUOTE]

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