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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 6171611" data-attributes="member: 40233">Blackbrrd, I'm not saying I want 3rd edition style skill differentiation (perish the thought...the skill bonus issue is the single worst thing about 3e, yes that includes fighter/wizard power disparity), just that there needs to be greater variation than between +0 and +5. Which you appear to agree with, since your variance in your example is between +0 and +10...a differentiation which seems about right to me, from a realism and game-ism standpoint.WOTC's problem is that there is no way to get to the +0 to +10 variance without some kind of skill or proficiency system.EDIT: and weight lifting is not something I want to accurately model...it's an example of something in game (like forcing open a door or holding a portcullis), where He Man should have a considerably more than 25% greater success rate than someone with only average strength.If DC 15 is a "standard" test, for any task where someone with no special aptitude, but no special penalties either, (stat 10) has a 30% chance of success, then I think someone who is the greatest living exemplar of that particular attribute (stat 20) should have better than a 55% chance to succeed.  If the "greatest living exemplar" had a +10 (which is what I suggested in an earlier post) to his role, then the numbers come out right...80% success, leaving a small, but real chance of failure that keeps the game interesting, but leaves the character is actually good at the things he's designed to be good at.</blockquote>

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