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<blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 6172757" data-attributes="member: 63962"><p>I can see why it's a minor problem to you, being a good creative DM with time to spare to modify and/or basically create your own adventures (at least that's my impression of you). This isn't really the case for me, and probably isn't the case for nearly all new DM's (in my opinion). You might say that previous editions are just as bad, but I don't really agree with you there. Previous editions often had much less detailed encounters, which in this case is a benefit to a new DM, since he just can't run the adventures as written, he has to come up with some stuff by himself, or there just isn't enough content. Sure, it was harder, but new DM's weren't railroaded into a path of little creativity, which I think is one of the reasons 4e isn't generally viewed as a good edition.</p><p></p><p>I think 4e skill challenges is probably the worst example of the edition. It's a new mechanic which I actually like, but if you try to learn how to run one by using the skill challenges described in the first module Keep on the Shadowfell, they don't really work out (in my opinion). Sure it's only one module, but it's free and one that they want you to use to try out the game! </p><p></p><p>I think much too little effort is being put into the first adventures that are made and into examples of good gameplay. Instead the effort has just been put into the rulebooks, and later on expansions on the character creation. I really feel that this is one of 4e's biggest shortcomings. I don't think there is a single 4e module that has gained a reptutation. I know 3e had some, among others Red Hand of Doom (which I have run and really liked) and 2e and 1e certainly have a lot.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the "editon warring" comments, I don't quite get it, 4e is the game I am currently playing, but it doesn't mean I have to like all of it and critize the problem areas and hope they don't repeat them in 5e?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blackbrrd, post: 6172757, member: 63962"] I can see why it's a minor problem to you, being a good creative DM with time to spare to modify and/or basically create your own adventures (at least that's my impression of you). This isn't really the case for me, and probably isn't the case for nearly all new DM's (in my opinion). You might say that previous editions are just as bad, but I don't really agree with you there. Previous editions often had much less detailed encounters, which in this case is a benefit to a new DM, since he just can't run the adventures as written, he has to come up with some stuff by himself, or there just isn't enough content. Sure, it was harder, but new DM's weren't railroaded into a path of little creativity, which I think is one of the reasons 4e isn't generally viewed as a good edition. I think 4e skill challenges is probably the worst example of the edition. It's a new mechanic which I actually like, but if you try to learn how to run one by using the skill challenges described in the first module Keep on the Shadowfell, they don't really work out (in my opinion). Sure it's only one module, but it's free and one that they want you to use to try out the game! I think much too little effort is being put into the first adventures that are made and into examples of good gameplay. Instead the effort has just been put into the rulebooks, and later on expansions on the character creation. I really feel that this is one of 4e's biggest shortcomings. I don't think there is a single 4e module that has gained a reptutation. I know 3e had some, among others Red Hand of Doom (which I have run and really liked) and 2e and 1e certainly have a lot. Regarding the "editon warring" comments, I don't quite get it, 4e is the game I am currently playing, but it doesn't mean I have to like all of it and critize the problem areas and hope they don't repeat them in 5e? [/QUOTE]
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