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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5909608" data-attributes="member: 6687992">This is the standard of PF for wizards and at-will cantrips have rarely been a concern.Let's look at the damage of 0-level spells.  1d3 point of damage!  A thrown dagger often hits harder and has more range.PF even gives extra basic attack spell or actions that can be used a number of days (usually 3+ related bonus).  These are usually 1d6+ 1/2 levels.By the time players reach 2nd and 3rd level spells, these spells are all but forgotten.You know the most dangerous at-will cantrip spell in PF is?  Create Water.  It is dangerous because you get to create 2 gal of water per level every round.  At level 1 you are a faucet tap and by level 5 you are a full on hose able to fill a standard 10 gal fish tank in 6 sec.  If you were filling your car at this rate then you'd usually have filled the tank within 2 rounds (a true engineer would be able to get an engine to work with this level of production of water and with a bit of pressuring to have a 'firearm').When we converted PF to play Dark Sun, we had to remove the Create Water spell from the 0 level cantrip list and change the volume of production of water.Pew Pew Pew?The fighter pulls out his two-handed sword and lays one hack and complains that they can't wait all day to get through the door.</blockquote>