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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5909925" data-attributes="member: 67338">we are not even on the same page here... Uber-effective spells??<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Clever players ??<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />no I am talking avrage players with average spells, and no hp and no AC and no attack bonus... I mean Andel picking up a 2e 1st level wizard, having magic missle once per day, having 4hp a 10 AC and an adjusted 20 thac0 with a thrown dagger or an edjusted 21 thac0 with his staff...I am talking Ross playing his wizard in 3e with a 14 AC with mage armor (that lasted 1 hour) and having 1 ray of frost and 1 magic missle, and a staff with +1 to hit.I can exchange stories of very clever PCs of ANY class doing amazing things, I can tell stories of otimizers and the best spells... that is not what this is about...</blockquote>