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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DMKastmaria" data-source="post: 5912751" data-attributes="member: 6678082">I still disagree with your assessment of how much those players can contribute. I'm also not "settling for less design wise." Neither 3.x nor 4e suite my purposes, design wise. That's all. There's been alternatives to D&D for quite a while. And people who disliked the system, back in the day. So, they played Runequest, Warhammer, Rolemaster and dozens of lesser known systems. But, some people actually liked D&D and AD&D. There's quite a few who still prefer those systems.  My games have always been combat heavy. My players and I like it that way. Thieves and MU's, too. Honestly, have fun playing what you're playing, but you're making an awful lot of presumptuous statements about what everyone else is thinking, used to think, how they "used to" play, etc. Most people who frequent EnWorld and WotC Forums, no doubt. Balance is a big deal in 4e. Not so much in AD&D. Player skill and player agency is far more of a deciding factor.  The WotC editions have been the story of the designers trying to fix AD&D. They've yet to please a majority of their fanbase. I'd like it if they took a cue from the LBB's and made a simple, base game and told everyone to make their own bloody modules for it! Then, EnWorld would be a much more interesting place. This is the secret of the OSR's success. We're mostly DIY D&D'ers. That kind of creativity and enthusiasm is what fostered the games' growth in the 70's. It's why, whatever 5e turns out to be, the OSR and the OGL ain't going nowhere. And this is really the only reason I'm interested in 5e. Because there's a real possibility that its very nature, being modular, will inspire and spawn a whole slew of creative DM's, who'll take that system and turn it into whatever they please! I'm not looking for 5e to be a game I'll want to play. What I want is for all those EnWorld posters who, before the playtest has even been released, are writing up rules, tweaks and discussing ideas, to hold onto and continue developing the systems and subsystems they're making today. And then unleash a slew of new publications like the Arduin Grimoires, and Alarums & Excursions, or to compare with more recent offerings, Fight On!, Knockspell, and Loviatar.Look at what that kind of creativity and enthusiasm has wrought in the OSR. Look at what the fanbase has created, in the past 5 years! And how the audience and body of work for those "dead systems" has grown!If WotC wants 5e to be a success, if the fanbase wants it, then the fans need to take things into their own hands! Assuming, that WotC will stay out of their way.</blockquote>

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