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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 5912788" data-attributes="member: 27160">4e has this and my experience is that it works just fine. The wizard can only have one light active at a time, though, so the fighter's Sunblade is actually a better bet most of the time.4e uses a skill for this, which works far better than the spellcasters having to give up attacks or heals for it, in my experience. Taking an action and a skill roll is easy in the &quot;search the room&quot; phase, but often decidedly sub-optimal in combat.Again, 4e has this, and &quot;abuses&quot; are limited. The main boon is the ability to pull out items to use without taking a minor action to do so; if minor actions aren't in use I'm guessing that such actions will be cost free anyway...Can you use it to lift stuff out of trapped places? Sure - but in a world with at-will mage hand, many traps will be set up to account for it (and the range of it is very limited).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 5912788, member: 27160"] 4e has this and my experience is that it works just fine. The wizard can only have one light active at a time, though, so the fighter's Sunblade is actually a better bet most of the time. 4e uses a skill for this, which works far better than the spellcasters having to give up attacks or heals for it, in my experience. Taking an action and a skill roll is easy in the "search the room" phase, but often decidedly sub-optimal in combat. Again, 4e has this, and "abuses" are limited. The main boon is the ability to pull out items to use without taking a minor action to do so; if minor actions aren't in use I'm guessing that such actions will be cost free anyway... Can you use it to lift stuff out of trapped places? Sure - but in a world with at-will mage hand, many traps will be set up to account for it (and the range of it is very limited). [/QUOTE]

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