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<blockquote data-quote="Janaxstrus" data-source="post: 5913581" data-attributes="member: 3201">Incorrect.&nbsp; No components I've seen provide bonuses to your spells.&nbsp; Implements are another potential set of bonuses to track.Can you point out where I said anyone wasn't needed?&nbsp; I specifically said people like me, ARE needed, not that anyone else isn't.&nbsp; FYI, I am in my 30s as well, but since I started with Basic, and prefer all the older editions to the new, I would consider myself a grognard.&nbsp; The goal of this edition was UNITING the bases.&nbsp; As such, I stated they need us lapsed customers to reach that goal.&nbsp; Don't take things so personally.&nbsp;&nbsp;Old =/= inefficient.&nbsp; Old is only old, inefficient is edition neutral.&nbsp; ALL of them have ineffecient constructs, sorry to break this to you.&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, no one said they didn't.&nbsp; Needing 1 type of customer does not negate the need for another.&nbsp; Wulfgar is the one that said customers like myself were not needed.&nbsp;I don't know how much they need to keep an edition alive.&nbsp; I do know that whatever that number is, when editions stop meeting it, they get replaced.&nbsp; If you can't manage to lure back other players, you are very likely to keep not meeting those goals.&nbsp; It's a strike against the system, as I stated earlier in this thread, in a post you even quoted.&nbsp; It's not make or break, it's a strike.&nbsp; Too many strikes and then the make or break starts.If the at-will cantrips become options, I'm 100% fine with it.&nbsp; I have an issue with it in core.&nbsp; I honestly couldn't care less what they put in a 4e type option book, or a 2e or a hardcore, my only real concern is what they decide is the CORE of the game.&nbsp; That is the stuff that is hardest to deal with and change.This is wrong.&nbsp; I would almost guarantee all editions were still profitable when they were replaced.&nbsp; They were not profitable ENOUGH.The &quot;niche&quot; segment that plays Pathfinder spends enough money to (according to people who track sales in the gaming industry) outsell 4e over the last 3 quarters.&nbsp; PF/3.x fans are not niche, they are a significant % of the D&amp;D style gaming community.Citation Needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janaxstrus, post: 5913581, member: 3201"] Incorrect. No components I've seen provide bonuses to your spells. Implements are another potential set of bonuses to track. Can you point out where I said anyone wasn't needed? I specifically said people like me, ARE needed, not that anyone else isn't. FYI, I am in my 30s as well, but since I started with Basic, and prefer all the older editions to the new, I would consider myself a grognard. The goal of this edition was UNITING the bases. As such, I stated they need us lapsed customers to reach that goal. Don't take things so personally. Old =/= inefficient. Old is only old, inefficient is edition neutral. ALL of them have ineffecient constructs, sorry to break this to you. Again, no one said they didn't. Needing 1 type of customer does not negate the need for another. Wulfgar is the one that said customers like myself were not needed. I don't know how much they need to keep an edition alive. I do know that whatever that number is, when editions stop meeting it, they get replaced. If you can't manage to lure back other players, you are very likely to keep not meeting those goals. It's a strike against the system, as I stated earlier in this thread, in a post you even quoted. It's not make or break, it's a strike. Too many strikes and then the make or break starts. If the at-will cantrips become options, I'm 100% fine with it. I have an issue with it in core. I honestly couldn't care less what they put in a 4e type option book, or a 2e or a hardcore, my only real concern is what they decide is the CORE of the game. That is the stuff that is hardest to deal with and change. This is wrong. I would almost guarantee all editions were still profitable when they were replaced. They were not profitable ENOUGH. The "niche" segment that plays Pathfinder spends enough money to (according to people who track sales in the gaming industry) outsell 4e over the last 3 quarters. PF/3.x fans are not niche, they are a significant % of the D&D style gaming community. Citation Needed. [/QUOTE]

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