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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5915165" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, come on.Look, the Prius is just better designed.  There's no getting around this.  That Prius will likely run for hundreds of thousands of kilometers with minimal servicing, will never rust, has emission standards that the Mustang couldn't possibly match, will have fuel economy beyond anything produced in 1965, has a better sound system, has better handling, has better brakes, is a THOUSAND times safer, is made from materials that are stronger, lighter and didn't even exist in 1965, and probably a hundred other improvements that I don't even know of.From an engineering standpoint, you cannot possibly argue that a 1965 Mustang is a better designed car than a 2012 Prius.  In every measurable QUANTIFIABLE way, the 2012 car is better designed.However, better designed doesn't mean that it's a better car.  Like you said, if I want something that I can work on at home, then, sure, the Mustang will work better for me.  I will like the Mustang better because of non-quantitative criteria.But, if you think that that Mustang is a better designed car... I dunno.  It's utterly mind boggling.  But, I think that's the issue.  When I talk about better design, I'm talking about quantifiable elements.  X is better than Y because of Z.  And Z will never vary depending on the observer because it is quantifiable.Which is why I hate it when people try to say, "oh well, I like Y better, so, it must be better designed for me".  No, it's just that you are judging something on criteria that is not quantifiable.  You're judging it based on whether or not you happen to like it.  And, anyone who disagrees with you and says, no this is not well designed, is, in your view, only doing it because they don't like it.Which isn't true.  I look at the layout of the 1e DMG and I say that that is poor design.  It really is.  It's all mashed together, there is very little rhyme or reason for the placement of anything in the book.  That is bad design.  Whether or not I like the book is irrelevant.Heck, I think the 4e PHB is poorly designed because it presents the game in such a fashion that it makes many of the criticisms of 4e look reasonable.  4e is a combat centric minis game.  Well, I can totally see why someone would think that looking at the 4e PHB.  A better layout would present the game in a very different light and we'd see a lot less criticism.  For example, why in heck is the section on Rituals buried at the back of the book after the freaking GLOSSARY?  Whether I happen to like it or not should not change my opinion on whether or not something is well designed.</blockquote>

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