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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 5915167">My point about this was twofold: designers (especially in a company like WOTC which has seperate layout and graphic design people) are not involved in the layout. The layout has nothing to do with the state of game design and everything to do with the state of publishing. Even so, well organized is well organized. It isn't like presenting something in a clear and organized way is a new concept that earlier publishers of the game never heard of. This is a production quality issue, not a design quality issue. It certainly feeds into your experience of the game because referencing is part of play. But guys like Heinsoo and Cook are not personally laying out and indexing the books. Arguably this hasn't improved drastically over time if you remove 1E from the equation. personally I think the 4E index is way too lean. 3E and 2E had much better indexes in my opinion.</blockquote>