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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6071321" data-attributes="member: 1465">I think they must definitely do so.They should put only what is always needed, by every gaming group, and that is (1) rules, (2) character sheets and (3) dice. That's what a pen-and-paper RPG is anyway. Dice can be sold separately, but maybe on a walmart package you can bundle a single set of polyhedral with the book, to avoid the &quot;battery not included&quot; effect.Maps and tokens or minis are not used by all gaming groups, and imply a specific gaming style, although it's definitely the most popular of the gaming styles. If they once again make a box with all this stuff, they'll be stuck once again with a sampler which is what they are saying they don't want, or they'll have a pricey tag that will keep a chunk of potential new customers away, or they'll have to sell it at too low profit.But if this product will be the core, it means that PHB+DMG+MM will not include again the material of this single core book (otherwise what's the point of the article?), thuseveryone will need to buy it. The hardcore gamers won't be able to skip this.I think we need to ask, what does WotC means for potential new customers?Are they thinking of people who buy other RPGs and board games, but not currently D&amp;D? If this is the case, then 50e or even 100e might not be a barrier for them, since they already spend a lot of money in other games.Or are they thinking of non-gamers, people who only play console games at most, and trying to market D&amp;D as an alternative family game? That would IMHO be a very worthwhile purpose, but then keeping price max around 50e is a must.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6071321, member: 1465"] I think they must definitely do so. They should put only what is always needed, by every gaming group, and that is (1) rules, (2) character sheets and (3) dice. That's what a pen-and-paper RPG is anyway. Dice can be sold separately, but maybe on a walmart package you can bundle a single set of polyhedral with the book, to avoid the "battery not included" effect. Maps and tokens or minis are not used by all gaming groups, and imply a specific gaming style, although it's definitely the most popular of the gaming styles. If they once again make a box with all this stuff, they'll be stuck once again with a sampler which is what they are saying they don't want, or they'll have a pricey tag that will keep a chunk of potential new customers away, or they'll have to sell it at too low profit. But if this product will be the core, it means that PHB+DMG+MM will [B]not[/B] include again the material of this single core book (otherwise what's the point of the article?), thus[I]everyone[/I] will need to buy it. The hardcore gamers won't be able to skip this. I think we need to ask, what does WotC means for potential new customers? Are they thinking of people who buy other RPGs and board games, but not currently D&D? If this is the case, then 50e or even 100e might not be a barrier for them, since they already spend a lot of money in other games. Or are they thinking of non-gamers, people who only play console games at most, and trying to market D&D as an alternative family game? That would IMHO be a very worthwhile purpose, but then keeping price max around 50e is a must. [/QUOTE]

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