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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6071719" data-attributes="member: 2067">I'm happy they're going with a stripped-down core that could be played by an OD&amp;D player and recognized as D&amp;D, and that is easy to get into for someone who just heard the word &quot;alignment&quot; for the first time today. It's exactly the nefarious plot I imagine might work -- no more of this &quot;beginner's box&quot; nonsense where you're playing a &quot;lite&quot; version of the game. The game is light. The game is suitable for beginners. Then once you dig the basics of the game, you can RAMP THAT JUNK UP. I'm betting that the simple core won't even have martial dice or anything. Heck, it might actually have a basic-attack-only-fighter (all right, maybe with an option or two, if you want). It'll likely have a dead simple Wizard, too, that only hints and Vancian. That's awesome.[sblock=wait...]Why you throw chip?Dude. 10 levels, 4 classes, and 4 races gives you about 16 years of totally unique gameplay, not to mention the different party combinations (&quot;Everybody be dwarf clerics!&quot;). Bards? Gnomes? These things are superfluous, additional, extraneous, inessential. Second, if folks want to play LotR clones for their entire gameplay time, what's so bad about that? What, if a group never wants to play with anything more than that, they're somehow doing it wrong?Third, why is &quot;not being in the stripped-down core&quot; suddenly dumping? It's not like the game won't have these rules, it's just that these rules aren't actually important right away. I could go on, but you get the idea: 10 levels, 4 classes, 4 races, is a complete game. Hell, you could probably do a complete game with endless reskins of Orc and Pie. Not that that's what's gonna happen, but still...[/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6071719, member: 2067"] I'm happy they're going with a stripped-down core that could be played by an OD&D player and recognized as D&D, and that is easy to get into for someone who just heard the word "alignment" for the first time today. It's exactly the nefarious plot I imagine might work -- no more of this "beginner's box" nonsense where you're playing a "lite" version of the game. The game is light. The game is suitable for beginners. Then once you dig the basics of the game, you can RAMP THAT JUNK UP. I'm betting that the simple core won't even have martial dice or anything. Heck, it might actually have a basic-attack-only-fighter (all right, maybe with an option or two, if you want). It'll likely have a dead simple Wizard, too, that only hints and Vancian. That's awesome. [sblock=wait...] Why you throw chip? Dude. 10 levels, 4 classes, and 4 races gives you about 16 years of totally unique gameplay, not to mention the different party combinations ("Everybody be dwarf clerics!"). Bards? Gnomes? These things are superfluous, additional, extraneous, inessential. Second, if folks want to play LotR clones for their entire gameplay time, what's so bad about that? What, if a group never wants to play with anything more than that, they're somehow [I]doing it wrong[/I]? Third, why is "not being in the stripped-down core" suddenly dumping? It's not like the game won't have these rules, it's just that these rules aren't actually important right away. I could go on, but you get the idea: 10 levels, 4 classes, 4 races, [I]is[/I] a complete game. Hell, you could probably do a complete game with endless reskins of [I]Orc and Pie[/I]. Not that that's what's gonna happen, but still... [/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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