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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6221113" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>Ok, not necessarily the 3.x way, but sorcerers are highly thematic by nature, from the "pick a niche" of 3.x to the "pick your element/theme/origin" of 4e and PF, a sorcerer that switches his/her full repertoire overnight will fail in that regard, one that keeps a spellbook fails equally, also this isn't a problem exclusive to sorcerers, bards are already there, with that kind of casting. so it isn't a matter of making room for sorcerers only, bards already demand that accommodation. And a sorcerer that could be almost as effective as a rogue at being a thief by virtue of using his/her spells to fill that niche isn't more powerful nor more versatile than the rogue, and isn't making it redundant, and neither is the same as a Mage who chose to obviate a fellow rogue for today, because that sorcerer took the opportunity cost of focussing on being a thief instead of something else and that is a long term commitment, one that is as worthy of being effective as picking "rogue" and running with it. </p><p></p><p>Of course that something must be done to keep Mages and clerics under control and balanced to mundanes, but things aren't as black and white as to deny sorcerer players any kind of concession "because all casters are OP, help one and mundanes automatically suck". Besides as I keep telling, sorcerers while relatively new, they are still significative for the inclusiveness that Next purports to give, don't forget that this "very little history" of yours is "only" thirteen years out of the thirty-nine years D&D has (that is a third of D&D's history and two out of five or six editions, thank you)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6221113, member: 6689464"] Ok, not necessarily the 3.x way, but sorcerers are highly thematic by nature, from the "pick a niche" of 3.x to the "pick your element/theme/origin" of 4e and PF, a sorcerer that switches his/her full repertoire overnight will fail in that regard, one that keeps a spellbook fails equally, also this isn't a problem exclusive to sorcerers, bards are already there, with that kind of casting. so it isn't a matter of making room for sorcerers only, bards already demand that accommodation. And a sorcerer that could be almost as effective as a rogue at being a thief by virtue of using his/her spells to fill that niche isn't more powerful nor more versatile than the rogue, and isn't making it redundant, and neither is the same as a Mage who chose to obviate a fellow rogue for today, because that sorcerer took the opportunity cost of focussing on being a thief instead of something else and that is a long term commitment, one that is as worthy of being effective as picking "rogue" and running with it. Of course that something must be done to keep Mages and clerics under control and balanced to mundanes, but things aren't as black and white as to deny sorcerer players any kind of concession "because all casters are OP, help one and mundanes automatically suck". Besides as I keep telling, sorcerers while relatively new, they are still significative for the inclusiveness that Next purports to give, don't forget that this "very little history" of yours is "only" thirteen years out of the thirty-nine years D&D has (that is a third of D&D's history and two out of five or six editions, thank you) [/QUOTE]
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