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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5837557" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I agree fully with CJ on this, and get a little bit tired of being told again and again in these sorts of threads that, because I like and play 4e, I don't like D&D.</p><p></p><p>I played B/X D&D from 1982 to 1984. I GMed AD&D from 1984 to 1989. I played AD&D 2nd ed, on and off, from 1990 to 1997. I GMed a little bit of 3E in 2000.</p><p></p><p>From 1990 to 2008 I GMed primarily Rolemaster, but used a whole host of D&D materials, incuding material from Greyhawk, Oriental Adventures, and other sourcebooks, modules, rulebooks etc. D&D is not just the mechanics, it is a whole collection of story elements and approaches to gonzo fantasy RPGing. Nor is D&D just the playstyle set out in Gygax's rulebooks: Oriental Adventures, for example - a 1st ed AD&D product - is clearly aimed at a different playstyle from B/X or the "skilled play" described by Gygax in the PHB, and had a profound effect on my own approach to GMing.</p><p></p><p>I didn't return to D&D with 4e because 4e is <em>not</em> D&D. I returned to D&D with 4e because with 4e, D&D finally had the mechanics to deliver the sort of stories that it had been promising me for over 20 years, but that I had been using other mechanical systems to achieve.</p><p></p><p>I agree with this too, although I think 4e's attractions for me are slightly different from those that Balesir sees.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5837557, member: 42582"] I agree fully with CJ on this, and get a little bit tired of being told again and again in these sorts of threads that, because I like and play 4e, I don't like D&D. I played B/X D&D from 1982 to 1984. I GMed AD&D from 1984 to 1989. I played AD&D 2nd ed, on and off, from 1990 to 1997. I GMed a little bit of 3E in 2000. From 1990 to 2008 I GMed primarily Rolemaster, but used a whole host of D&D materials, incuding material from Greyhawk, Oriental Adventures, and other sourcebooks, modules, rulebooks etc. D&D is not just the mechanics, it is a whole collection of story elements and approaches to gonzo fantasy RPGing. Nor is D&D just the playstyle set out in Gygax's rulebooks: Oriental Adventures, for example - a 1st ed AD&D product - is clearly aimed at a different playstyle from B/X or the "skilled play" described by Gygax in the PHB, and had a profound effect on my own approach to GMing. I didn't return to D&D with 4e because 4e is [I]not[/I] D&D. I returned to D&D with 4e because with 4e, D&D finally had the mechanics to deliver the sort of stories that it had been promising me for over 20 years, but that I had been using other mechanical systems to achieve. I agree with this too, although I think 4e's attractions for me are slightly different from those that Balesir sees. [/QUOTE]
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