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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6183257" data-attributes="member: 23484">That's an argument to get rid of stealth, not to add perception.No. Swimming is something one needs to learn, and if you don't know how, you can't discover by trying or by being strong or dextrous. It is exactly what makes the on/off proficiency currently being modelled by tools exactly right. Except that it's not some people, and the bonus given to all races (in the testpacks we've seen so far, and in some previous editions) mean that the best a human can do is reach the typical standard of every single elf ever. It's a bad imbalance especially for something invoked as often as it is. That is, indeed, my point. And so you gain proficiency in the specific technique of entertainment (an instrument, or joke-telling), but you don't have the same skill roll in all of them, and you don't have a cascade skill. Backgrounds and tool proficiency accomplish what needs to be there by themselves.  A third mechanism is both distracting and extraneous.Perhaps.Thanks for the feedback!</blockquote>