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<blockquote data-quote="Sage Genesis" data-source="post: 6125277" data-attributes="member: 6706099"><p>Nope. This is about the fifth time now that they've said that Warlords are not going to be their own class.</p><p></p><p>They did say, way back, that every class that appeared in a (first) PHB would make it into Next on launch, but later they clarified that they meant the name and general concept would make it in, not the class itself as such. So Warlords are sub-Fighters, Assassins are sub-Rogues. This is a piece of backpedaling and misdirection worthy of politicians if you ask me, but despite repeated statements that Warlords won't be class of their own a lot of people still don't quite seem to realize this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. A samurai is just a certain level of (martial-oriented) noble status. It doesn't imply a single thing about what weapons they use, what armor they use, whether or not they're on horseback, and so on. Heck, the Legends of the Five Rings RPG consists of practically nothing but samurai characters and yet manages to have plenty of diversity. It's not something specific in the slightest.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And now more generally about the article itself:</p><p></p><p>I'm happy to see they acknowledge that spellcasters often overshadowed martial types, but I don't see how subclasses are a solution to this issue. Just because you got to write "gladiator" on your sheet and got a few abilities related to it, doesn't mean that the Wizard can't overshadow you. The two elements have nothing to do with one another.</p><p></p><p>I'm also not a fan of Knight (and such) being subclasses. I liked it when those were backgrounds or specialties, so that you could also have Cleric-Knights and Wizard-Knights. You could easily have a whole campaign with nothing but Knights, each with different classes but still being sword-brothers of the same order or something.</p><p></p><p>I have no idea, whatsoever, why "archer" deserves to be feats while "duelist" has to be a Fighter subclass. I can't see the distinction that would make a concept fall into one or the other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sage Genesis, post: 6125277, member: 6706099"] Nope. This is about the fifth time now that they've said that Warlords are not going to be their own class. They did say, way back, that every class that appeared in a (first) PHB would make it into Next on launch, but later they clarified that they meant the name and general concept would make it in, not the class itself as such. So Warlords are sub-Fighters, Assassins are sub-Rogues. This is a piece of backpedaling and misdirection worthy of politicians if you ask me, but despite repeated statements that Warlords won't be class of their own a lot of people still don't quite seem to realize this. I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. A samurai is just a certain level of (martial-oriented) noble status. It doesn't imply a single thing about what weapons they use, what armor they use, whether or not they're on horseback, and so on. Heck, the Legends of the Five Rings RPG consists of practically nothing but samurai characters and yet manages to have plenty of diversity. It's not something specific in the slightest. And now more generally about the article itself: I'm happy to see they acknowledge that spellcasters often overshadowed martial types, but I don't see how subclasses are a solution to this issue. Just because you got to write "gladiator" on your sheet and got a few abilities related to it, doesn't mean that the Wizard can't overshadow you. The two elements have nothing to do with one another. I'm also not a fan of Knight (and such) being subclasses. I liked it when those were backgrounds or specialties, so that you could also have Cleric-Knights and Wizard-Knights. You could easily have a whole campaign with nothing but Knights, each with different classes but still being sword-brothers of the same order or something. I have no idea, whatsoever, why "archer" deserves to be feats while "duelist" has to be a Fighter subclass. I can't see the distinction that would make a concept fall into one or the other. [/QUOTE]
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