Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5848049" data-attributes="member: 54877">I like the general idea, but find the boundary between monster and cleric drawn slightly off the ideal spot. &nbsp;There is nothing wrong with having specific &quot;vulnerabilities&quot; on many kinds of monsters. For undead, that will often be &quot;afraid of holy power&quot; or &quot;leery of radiant damage&quot; or however it is most convenient to write it. If that has skeletons then fleeing from radiant power wielded in some charismatic manner, then a cleric &quot;turn undead&quot; power would certainly qualify. You might get similar results out of paladins brandishing a blessed sword.&nbsp;OTOH, I don't think such results should be automatic with any use of any power that has the &quot;radiant&quot; or &quot;holy&quot; keywords. So having the Cha check required and using a standard action to branish the radiant power is not bad. That setup makes &quot;turn undead&quot; specifically an extra thing that some clerics can easily do to so brandish--though at that point, I'd name the power something else, to reinforce that it is a brandishing of power that can be used for other purposes.&nbsp;A high Cha wizard, bard, etc. with a radiant, sustainable power can try the same thing--albeit perhaps not with whatever advantage a cleric might get for something geared towards undead specifically.&nbsp; In fact, the &quot;turn undead&quot; power might be merely a feat that gives some hefty bonus to such brandished holy power.&nbsp;With that framework, you can do similar things for elementals, lycanthropes, etc. Find a way to brandish silver, you can intimidate lycanthropes. How they react is specific to the creature, same as any other vulnerability.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5848049, member: 54877"] I like the general idea, but find the boundary between monster and cleric drawn slightly off the ideal spot. There is nothing wrong with having specific "vulnerabilities" on many kinds of monsters. For undead, that will often be "afraid of holy power" or "leery of radiant damage" or however it is most convenient to write it. If that has skeletons then fleeing from radiant power wielded in some charismatic manner, then a cleric "turn undead" power would certainly qualify. You might get similar results out of paladins brandishing a blessed sword. OTOH, I don't think such results should be automatic with any use of any power that has the "radiant" or "holy" keywords. So having the Cha check required and using a standard action to branish the radiant power is not bad. That setup makes "turn undead" specifically an extra thing that some clerics can easily do to so brandish--though at that point, I'd name the power something else, to reinforce that it is a brandishing of power that can be used for other purposes. A high Cha wizard, bard, etc. with a radiant, sustainable power can try the same thing--albeit perhaps not with whatever advantage a cleric might get for something geared towards undead specifically. In fact, the "turn undead" power might be merely a feat that gives some hefty bonus to such brandished holy power. With that framework, you can do similar things for elementals, lycanthropes, etc. Find a way to brandish silver, you can intimidate lycanthropes. How they react is specific to the creature, same as any other vulnerability. [/QUOTE]

Verification