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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Astrosicebear" data-source="post: 5848050" data-attributes="member: 67017">I like Mearls' approach, but I think its too broad and makes designing undead monsters a bit more difficult, or cookie cutter.I'd like to see Turn Undead be a class mechanic that works as Mearls' described but with set 'abilities' ala the 3.5e rogue's high level choices.  For example:Turn Undead: A Cleric gains the ability to channel the power of the divine through a holy symbol to keep undead creatures at bay, turn them to dust, or grant allies bonuses.  Choose one of the following at first level.  You gain another choice at levels 6,12 and 18.All turning checks are Cha checks + 1/2 your cleric level. And affect a 30' cone in front of the cleric.  You do not need to be able to see undead for them to be affected.Cower: You force undead to cower before you, unable to act unless attacked.  This effect lasts as long as you brandish your holy symbol plus 2 rounds.Flee: You force undead to flee away from you.Smite:  You channel the power of divine to damage undead.  You deal 1d6 damage/2 cleric levels to affected undead. Undead that succeed on the save and have less hit dice than you take half damage.Bless:  Instead of harming undead, your divine influence grants allies bonuses.  All allies within a 30' burst of you gain your cleric level in temporary hit points, and a +2 bonus to attack, damage, and saves.Bane:  You channel the divine power to hinder the undead.  All undead in a 30' burst take a -2 penalty to attack, damage, and saves. This penalty increases to -3 at 10th level, and -4 at 15th.----------Just some examples, but let the cleric choose.  Also opens a whole slew of feat options.</blockquote>

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