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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5915111" data-attributes="member: 2011">Odd that you see it this way. That is a general item rule stating that the item has to be wielded or used as opposed to the specific rule about weapons. I'm not seeing where a general items rule trumps a specific weapon items rule (which is not applicable to any other items, just weapons).With the AV rule, it states to gain the benefits of the property:1) PC must wield weapon.2) Properties only apply to powers used with weapon.Vs. Essentials.1) PC must wield (or use) item.An omission of a specific rule in the new rules shouldn't necessarily be an indication that the old specific rule is invalid and that it is now superceded by the new general rule.Effectively, the "Unless otherwise noted" clause of the Essentials rule for items is invoked by the "weapons property rule" of AV. The AV rule is an "otherwise note". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Yeah, I did a "double check the Compendium" and my eyes glazed over it. Doh! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />To me, this seems like a case of the designers from day one wanting the PCs to use the powers through the weapon in order to gain weapon benefits like properties. There hasn't been one rules quote posted so far (including your Esseentials one) which explicitly indicates otherwise. The AV rule, though, is very explicit concerning weapons.Granted, the Essentials rule does give an explicit general items rule and if someone were only using Essentials rules, then that would be the proper interpretation. But as far as I know, PBP on EnWorld (unless otherwise noted <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) uses all of the rules. A new general rule would overrule an old general rule, but it wouldn't overrule an old specific rule. Apples and Oranges. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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