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<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4746365" data-attributes="member: 72317">I think another reason why LA is often deemed underpowered is because the designers seemed to over-inflate it. For example, I am not sure what sort of yardstick they used to gauge a hill giant's viability as a PC, but it sure seems weak for its ECL of 16, compared to a barb16 or fighter16 (and these are already considered the crappier alternatives, you easily get more powerful combinations through multiclassing). What benefits you get out of its powerful physical stats seems more than overshadowed by its LA and inherent inferiority of giant HD compared to class lvs. I like the idea behind ECL to allow powerful monsters as PCs, but it seems marred by extremely poor execution, IMO. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4746365, member: 72317"] I think another reason why LA is often deemed underpowered is because the designers seemed to over-inflate it. For example, I am not sure what sort of yardstick they used to gauge a hill giant's viability as a PC, but it sure seems weak for its ECL of 16, compared to a barb16 or fighter16 (and these are already considered the crappier alternatives, you easily get more powerful combinations through multiclassing). What benefits you get out of its powerful physical stats seems more than overshadowed by its LA and inherent inferiority of giant HD compared to class lvs. I like the idea behind ECL to allow powerful monsters as PCs, but it seems marred by extremely poor execution, IMO. :eek: [/QUOTE]

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